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Evolution, from a Conservative point of view.

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Evolution: this is the theory that through a string of highly unlikely coincidences and accidents humanity came to be (including evolving traits that would go against Evolution as now understood). As opposed to Creationism which says we were put here by a higher being with a purpose.

Now, my belief is that I am on this website today because God put me on this earth. I believe Evolution has too many coincidences to be certainty. Too many things that could have happened and brought our evolution to a screeching halt.

Remember Murphy's Law? "Anything that can go wrong, will."? There are just too many things that could have went wrong with Evolution for me to believe it. The whole everything-fell-together-perfectly-without-any-outside-influence thing just doesn't hold water.

So in conclusion I don't believe Evolution to be plausible, as so many things could have went wrong.

 

 

 

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Politicar 4 months ago

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This got started by me stating, correctly, that the colonization of this continent by European man w … Show full comment

Your part got started by you interjecting into my mention of the death toll brought about at the hand of secular authorities that my comment was hogwash, not by your assertion that religion kills: it was someone else's assertion to which I was replying. I did not mean to say that you were the source of my reply; my last addressed the reason I made the post you said was "hogwash." I did not state anything incorrectly, you took my remarks incorrectly:

"But, of what relevancy is any of this? This started with the usual assertion that religion kills," (which does not say your assertion) "thus implying that secularism is the better path, which led to my countering with the fact that secularism is even more murderous than religion and the fact that that reality is entirely predictable."

After which you entered into it. You were not the source of the post to which you replied, which is what I was addressing. However, I could have been more clear.
None-the-less, you replied thus:
"Hogwash. Man has killed more in the name of God than for any other reason. As for a tally? Start counting today and read the newspaper."

Which, by the way, does state that religion kills: for if man has killed more in the name of God than for any other reason, and the study and worship of God is religion, then if man has done as you claimed then he did so for reasons of religion, which means: Religion kills.

Which assertion, incidentally, you have not been able to sustain, and which assertion cannot be sustained because it is fallacious.

Again, Manifest Destiny was not religious. In the minds of some people the idea was ordained by God, but that was not the source of the government policies that led to the westward migration, nor was religion the motivating factor in that migration.

Your other assertion is no more true.

Science is the study of the natural world. God created the natural world that science studies. Thus, science studies God's Creation. Neither is mutually exclusive, therefore.
Atheism attempts to take the information gathered by science and interpret it to sustain its belief system.
Religious people can do the same. I find no end of amusement in the attempt of atheists to claim that scientific evidence can only be used to their ends, and that anyone who is religious must keep their hands off.
I refuse. I assert that I have as much right to the study and interpretation of the meanings of scientific discovery as you claim.

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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No, you were not, and I am not saying you were: it is about the application of "extermination&q … Show full comment

This got started by me stating, correctly, that the colonization of this continent by European man was done under the credo of "Manifest Destiny"- destined by God to spread from coast to coast. You stated again incorrectly that my statement was 'religion kills'. While I don't entirely disagree that was not my assertion that got you going. I also did not state that religion kills. I'll let you look back to what I said. However that supports my other assertion-that you have a bias and it is on the religous side. You're intelligent. However you allow your religous beliefs to entice you to blend them with scientific fact. Science and religion don't mix. You believe in Science and your faith. To try and merge the two to me is just that-an act of faith. I mean no disrespect in terming your slant towards religion a bias. It is in my opinion the truth.

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Politicar 4 months ago

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As far as the Indians go I am not comparing their place in history to the Holocaust. However that d … Show full comment

No, you were not, and I am not saying you were: it is about the application of "extermination" to what happened to the Indians here.

Potentially "millions" of Indians. Their population has never been established reliably, so millions is possible but not demonstrable. It was over the course of over 400 years, by the way, and religion had little to do with that death toll. Mainly the Indians were on the receiving end - as many before them, including my other progenitors; the Celts - of a mass migration. There is nothing unique in that: In Africa the southward migration of the Hottentots almost wiped-out the bushmen, then the Bantu Migration destroyed them.

But, of what relevancy is any of this? This started with the usual assertion that religion kills, thus implying that secularism is the better path, which led to my countering with the fact that secularism is even more murderous than religion and the fact that that reality is entirely predictable.

The deaths among Indians had little to do with religion and more to do with incidence of disease and territorial struggles lacking a religious character.

I do have strong religious beliefs, having concluded as I previously enumerated. Yet, I would object to the use of bias, as bias indicates an emotional derivation of unreasoned beliefs and an incapacity to understand an issue due to preconceived opinions.

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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I object to the use of "extermination" in relation to American Indians on the basis that t … Show full comment

As far as the Indians go I am not comparing their place in history to the Holocaust. However that doesn't change the end result. If you spoke to the ghosts of the dead would they care what designation their deaths fell under? I'm talking strictly number of dead. Millions of native Americans.
As far as bias I am saying that simply by reading your posts if I had to bet I say you have strong religous beliefs.

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Politicar 4 months ago

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Extermination by plan or by chance-it doesn't matter. Just because Hitler had a plan actually writt … Show full comment

I object to the use of "extermination" in relation to American Indians on the basis that there was no attempt to wipe them from existence. I have less objection to its use in relationship to the Holocaust because Hitler did intend to exterminate all Jews, at least those within his reach. A more accurate way of adressing it in relation to Hitler would be to say the "attempted extermination", or other such phrase. But, then, had he not been interrupted he would have exterminated all Jews in Europe all the way to the Urals outside of Sweden and Finland.
The concept of extermination indicates an intent to wipe something or one from existence. You might have better said, "... the way European man nearly caused the extinction of ..." or other such phrase that had different connotations than "... the way European man exterminated the Indians." That phrase indcates A: the Indians have ceased to exist, and B: Someone intended to make them cease to exist.

What do you mean in your AD.HOMINEM reference to bias? You are too slippery a fish for me to engage without clarification of your meanings. Otherwise this will take a six hundred or so page treatise covering all the possibilities.

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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I don't make the numbers say what I want them to say; I learn and observe from them. No; I object … Show full comment

Extermination by plan or by chance-it doesn't matter. Just because Hitler had a plan actually written down doesn't mean that the word 'extermination' applies any more than for the American Indians.
One need not know the particulars of your faith to know where your bias lies. If I see a man with a baseball glove preparing to take the field, I don't need to know what position he plays or who his favorite team is to know he's a fan, now do I?

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Politicar 4 months ago

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I can make the numbers say anything I want. Just like you do. I will not provide statistics to my a … Show full comment

I don't make the numbers say what I want them to say; I learn and observe from them.

No; I object to inaccurate statements. The Holocaust was an intentioned extermination; it just got interrupted, there was never even an attempted extermination of American Indians. In fact, most Indian deaths occured simply as a result of diseases (and, yes: there was one case of a British official intentionally spreading disease among a tribe of Indians near the Hudson Bay. That does not make it a systematic operation like the Holocaust) to which the Indian populations lacked any immunity. There were no Auschwitzes, nor any Buchenwalds, nor Ravensbruks, nor SS-Einsatzgruppen in any of it, nor anything resembling them. Wretched things did happen, like Sand Creek or the Trail of Tears, but they happened at the hands of both sides. The real history of that period (I discovered after studying it) is not so one-sided as the Ministry of Propaganda pretends.
For example: Wounded Knee is commonly portrayed as a massacre committed by the 7th Cavalry seeking revenge for Little Bighorn. If you read the actual events that took place there you find it was not a massacre and revenge had nothing to do with anything. Another is one of my favorites when I hear members of Five Nations complaining about what 5,000 troops of the Continental Army did to them during the Revolutionary War, completely ignoring what they had done to bring that force down on them. They never should have listened to Joseph Brandt, who was nothing more than a British agent in the first place.
Oh, and remember that famous quote by Phil Sheridan: "The only good Indian is a dead Indian!"? Sheridan denied ever saying that. However, as reported by the reporter who recorded the event; it was not a serious remark, even if the reporter was accurately recording what Sheridan had said. An Indian Chief (name escaping me at the moment) arrived at a base to meet with Sheridan. He thundered up and leapt from his horse, thumped himself on the chest and declared: "Me (so-and-so)! Me good Indian!" The reporter claimed Sheridan grinned and retorted, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." Then shook the Chief's hand and greeted him in a friendly manner.
Personally, I believe Sheridan based on his actual and historical policies toward Indians as opposed to the propaganda you will almost doubtless spout in reply. I once believed that propanganda myself, but then I read the history ...

My religious beliefs are not well-documented on this site ... or anywhere. In part they have been addressed here, but not very extensively. One factor you do not understand: my religious beliefs are not solidified as yet except that I have concluded that A: There is a God, B: It is the God of the Jews and C: Yehoshua is the Messiah. I am still studying the subject otherwise. Oh, and Calvinism is wrong, so is the Jehovah's Witness belief system and I have many doubts of Catholicism.
Thus, you may deduce that I am Protestant; but of what denomination? You know I am not a Calvinist, nor a Jehovah's Witness; maybe a Lutheran or Methodist? Or, maybe a Messianic Jew? Eastern Orthodox, maybe?

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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First off: "Hogwash. Man has killed more in the name of God than for any other reason. As fo … Show full comment

I can make the numbers say anything I want. Just like you do. I will not provide statistics to my assertion. I live in this world. I don't need to look up the cause of the Punic Wars. I never, ever wavered from my assertion. God is not the culprit. Man killing for wealth or power, but doing so in the name of God, was and is my assertion. Be it fronted by organized religion or fanatical nut jobs. Standard Leftist propaganda? Where there's smoke, there's fire. The truth hurts.
My usage of 'extermination'? I suppose you take umbrage when people refer to the Holocaust and the extermination of the Jews? Last I checked there are still Jews among us.
Your religous beliefs are well documented on this site.

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Politicar 4 months ago

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Nobody pats themselves on the back quite like you. Of that there is no debate. You miss my point … Show full comment

First off:

"Hogwash. Man has killed more in the name of God than for any other reason. As for a tally? Start counting today and read the newspaper."

I do not miss your point: you are retroactively changing your point.

I did not say that war was the only way man kills in the name of God, nor even imply it.

In fact, the Inquisition was not a war.

By the way: Killing is a part of wars. Thus, when you say, "Man has killed more in the name of God than for any reason." war deaths would be a part of it, thus the mention of wars.

They do ring a bell: Manifest Destiny was not religious, and by far the majority of Indian deaths were not due to religion, as you admit.

I am good-part Choctaw Indian. Evidently they missed my Choctaw progenitors in this "extermination". That is aside from the fact that your comment here is based merely in standard Leftist propaganda rather than in any real history.

Thanks for the gratuitous insult, by the way. Curious thing for a "friend" to do.
I was not patting myself on the back or any other such thing. You made an unfounded and baseless reply that what I had written was "Hogwash", providing no statistics in reply, just claiming what I had argued was, "Hogwash". I merely did the math for you.

"Your problem is that you see the need to fit everything so that it does not violate your religous beliefs."

What? I doubt you have a sufficient grasp of my religious beliefs to reasonably make such an assertion. And, this is a false assertion anyway.

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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Really? I did the math and the math says it's not hogwash. You didn't do the math and say it is hog … Show full comment

Nobody pats themselves on the back quite like you. Of that there is no debate.
You miss my point. Your problem is that you see the need to fit everything so that it does not violate your religous beliefs. You make the sqaure peg fit the round hole. For instance you look at war and say that is the only way man kills in the name of God. How about the manner in which European man exterminated the Indians? Manifest Destiny. Ring a bell? It was God's will. I did not cut myself off at war. I stated simply man has killed in the name of God more than any other reason. I don't debate that may not be the real reason. We didn't move the Indians out for God. I think money and power are the real motivators. However if you want to get people behind you? Start telling them it is what God wants. Sure winner.

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Politicar 4 months ago

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Hogwash. Man has killed more in the name of God than for any other reason. As for a tally? Start … Show full comment

Really? I did the math and the math says it's not hogwash.
You didn't do the math and say it is hogwash.

Let's go with the minimum number of 180,000,000 in 87 years.
That is 2,068,965.5 people per annum.

The Inquisition killed somewhere around 40,000 people in 600 years ...
That is 66.6 or so per year. Pretty deadly affair, eh? Common murders in any one country in Europe out-killed the Church of Rome.

The Crusades and the preceeding and post-crusades Jihad don't even approach the general vicinity of over 2,000,000 per year.

What was your math based on ... exactly?

You are aware that there have been more non-religious wars (which could be called secular wars and added to the above tally ... but I won't) than religious wars, are you not? Do you want me to start listing them? Shall we start with the 1st Punic War, the 2nd Punic War, the 3rd Punic War ... or go farther back? The 1st Persian Invasion of Greece, the 2nd Persian War ... farther back? I have a book called A Dictionary Wars; I can go all the way back :)

Man has killed more in the name of power than for any other reason. Wealth is a tight and related second.

It is not to say that religion has not killed, but it has not approached the numbers massacred under secular authorities. There is a reason why this is so.
Fanaticism in any cause is dangerous.

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You can read the Journal of Science,"Meet the ancestors:DNA study pinpoint Namibia as home to t … Show full comment

Again the comments you left are interesting to say the least. I'd rather hear your opinion on Global Warming. Cap & Trade.

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Patriot Watch (Independent) - 4 months ago

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You can read the Journal of Science,"Meet the ancestors:DNA study pinpoint Namibia as home to t … Show full comment

I have heard this before/ i have also heard that african people are the only native people to Earths soil. Your move but very interesting.

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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You can read the Journal of Science,"Meet the ancestors:DNA study pinpoint Namibia as home to t … Show full comment

So are you saying Evolution is false because if true we are all African. Or are you a Creationist and saying we are all from Florida?

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donald 4 months ago

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I'm praying for you now...............

You can read the Journal of Science,"Meet the ancestors:DNA study pinpoint Namibia as home to the world"s most ancient race".

I have read this in more than a few books, articles and by talking to people more knowledgeable than me in this field.
Some people get up set when they don't like to hear the truth.

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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No and No. My information comes from what I learned from reading over the years. Also, my informatio … Show full comment

Good. I thought maybe you missed my point.

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donald 4 months ago

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Are you Christopher Walken repeating what you heard? Or are you Dennis Hopper? Changing the story … Show full comment

No and No. My information comes from what I learned from reading over the years. Also, my information comes from the Bible and the Journal of Science.
That is what it is!!!

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amnestymyazz 4 months ago

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Except that men were the gods and belief in God or gods was forbidden. Besides, under Sense 4. athe … Show full comment

Hogwash. Man has killed more in the name of God than for any other reason. As for a tally? Start counting today and read the newspaper.

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In your Evolution theory, did you know that the first man to walk the Earth was a black man? In fac … Show full comment

Are you Christopher Walken repeating what you heard? Or are you Dennis Hopper? Changing the story to fit your argument? And so what.

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 5 months ago

I guess I'll actually post on the Blog at hand. Evolution is nothing but a series of unfortunate events that brought us to where we are. It was a random sequence, nothing in the world is perfect nor is it meant to be. That's the beauty of science. We can calculate the probability that the same consequence for each action will happen 99% of the time but there is always that 1% that can throw in a mutation or a pollutant or whatever that can cause a whole new species to come about. The majority of the earlier posts that talk about creation seem to limit themselves within our modern day concept of time. When you think outside the box and stop looking at time in the traditional since, it then the possibilities of how we came to be can seem endless. You take time out of the equation of physics, chemistry, biology and what do you have? A series of events that seem totally random that keep changing and progressing each time a pollutant is introduced and a mutation is caused from it.

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Patriot Watch (Independent) - 5 months ago

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I'm praying for you now...............

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donald 5 months ago

In your Evolution theory, did you know that the first man to walk the Earth was a black man?
In fact, all man kind on the face of the Earth came from those first black men. We all share some part of the same DNA

DNA study has revealed our "Garden of Eden" is likely to be on the South African-Namibian border.
"Everybody's history is part of African history because everybody came out of Africa.
Given the time and place of the birth of Jesus, Jesus was not a White man. All of those people that have a picture of Jesus as a white man is worshiping a false image.

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Except that men were the gods and belief in God or gods was forbidden. Besides, under Sense 4. athe … Show full comment

And as everyone knows non Religious people have also existed in Peace. Care to give some specics to your 180 million?

I seriously doubt anyone can really know tyhe # of deaths from any given cause.

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Politicar 5 months ago

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I can't believe you take yourself so serious.

I don't, I just cannot believe you meant that seriously.

Claiming Obama respects the Constitution is worse than claiming that FDR did (and keep in mind we're talking about a fascist who thought Benito Mussolini was the greatest thing since sliced bread [until the invasion of Ethiopia ... then he didn't like Benito anymore] and when the Supreme Court kept striking down his unconstitutional legislations put a bill before the Congress that would have nearly doubled the number of justices so that he could then stack the court with his cronies).

You just can't be serious.

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Uh, yeah ... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL … Show full comment

I Cannot Believe You Meant This..... SO LAY OF THE KEYS OR STOP Drinkinggggggggggggggggggggg !!!! LOL

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