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Capital Punishment

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I know this topic has been beat to death (pun unintended) but I am going give my two cents on the subject. My feelings on the Death Penalty are thus, it is not used enough.

As of right now there are but a few crimes that qualify for it (I am omitting the ones that are eligible for it in only one state for the sake of time); Murder, Child R*pe and Treason.

Now these crimes are all worthy of it. But there are other crimes that are also worthy of it. Human Trafficking, R*pe, Kidnapping, etc. You see, the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. And all of these crimes are worthy of the Death Penalty. Anyone who commits these atrocities should not have to be supported by the very people they preyed upon.

So, until the prison system is returned to what it was meant to be, a place for punishment, and places like ACLU arem't calling anything less than 4 stars cruel and unusual punishment a life sentence is not an option for these crimes.

Argue what you will, but can you tell me with a clear conscience these...these fiends have the right to live off those they preyed upon in luxury?

Tags: Capital Punishment, the Prison System, the Death Penalty, the ACLU

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amnestymyazz 7 months ago

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If it's self defense it isn't murder. If it's murder, the guy's dead wheter I thought about it the d … Show full comment

It is only self defense if you can prove you had reason to fear for your life. If there is a death penalty you may have a prosecutor arguing you planned the whole thing and should be put in the chair. Killing and murder are two differnt things. Everyone killed isn't murdered. Everyone that is murdered is killed, right? The reason and circumstances surrounding the death are what may or may not constitute murder, manslaughter, etc.
No nurse Ratchett because you are alive and he is dead does not make your life more important. No matter what your station. The judicial system would have to decide what to do with you. However your life is no more important than his. That is however an argument that says all life is sacred, even those that take another. Then the only thing worse than losing one life is losing two.

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sara 7 months ago

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It all depends on why and when you decided to whack him in the head. For instance if you decided th … Show full comment

If it's self defense it isn't murder. If it's murder, the guy's dead wheter I thought about it the day before or not. He's dead if I whacked him because he was in bed with another woman. No, I wouldn't whack him on the head for that, that deserves a bobbit, let him live and suffer. If I whacked him on the head at the spur of the moment because he burned the pancakes he's still dead. Murdered. Passion or not. Even if I say I slipped on the butter he dropped on the floor while just threatening him. Still murder. Isn't it?

If the guy I whacked on the head with my pretty hammer is dead, and I am guilty of manslaughter or murder 2, that would mean my life is more important than his, since he had to die. Even if he was governor of some state and I'm just a nurse student?

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KristiAnn (Democratic) - 7 months ago

im on the fence when it comes to the death penalty. i just dont see how killing a criminal will solve anything. when hearing about disgusting acts by pedophiles, i sometimes wanna kill them myself. but as far as murdering and kidnapping. i dont think so, especially after considering certain circumstances. like self defense, as well as, some fathers who "kidnap" thier child from drug using mothers and get thrown in jail for doing so.

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amnestymyazz 7 months ago

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So we agree that the death penalty is apparently not a deterrant to murder. But is that the purpose … Show full comment

It all depends on why and when you decided to whack him in the head. For instance if you decided the day before you did it and it was premeditated, it's murder. If you felt threatened at the time, like an abused wife, and can prove you had good reason to fear for your life, it's self-defense and you walk. Why were you upset? Wsa it done in the heat of passion like if you found him in bed with another woman? Was it totally just random? Murder 2 or Manslaughter genrally provide a convict the potential for parole at some point in their incarceration.
Revenge is not supposed to be a consideration in our judicial system. As in an eye for an eye. So yes the death penalty is considered by many proponents designed to be a deterrent to murder. I will say that the spector of the death penalty can get suspects to confess. Life in prison if you confess, the death penalty if you take it to trial.

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sara 7 months ago

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At this moment I don't remember what number two was going to be. I will say this about your reply: … Show full comment

So we agree that the death penalty is apparently not a deterrant to murder.
But is that the purpose of the death penalty, as murder prevention?

If I decide to whack a guy in the head with a hammer, because I'm really mad or upset or just mean, why isn't that murder?

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amnestymyazz 7 months ago

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Nice to champion something, isn't it? No, I was not saying that absence of death penalty means more … Show full comment

At this moment I don't remember what number two was going to be. I will say this about your reply: The death penalty is not supposed to apply to those acting in the heat of passion. You kind of crystalize part of my argument. One could sit and argue on the particulars of a crime. Just because someone acted on impulse doesn't mean it's not murder. Doesn't mean it's not especially heinous or cruel. These are al the types of things that get discussed when considering the death penalty. Millions of dollars spent on appeals and motions. The fact is, no matter what one calls it, if it is not self defense and you pound someone in the head with a hammer, you should be put away. Forever. We shouldn't spend money worrying about when you die. Save money and let you rot in prison. It's cheaper for us and harder for you (not you, the criminal:))

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sara 7 months ago

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Number one I am not the champion of the accused. I am the champion of the innocent people on death … Show full comment

Nice to champion something, isn't it?
No, I was not saying that absence of death penalty means more murder. If 100 murders are committed, 80 people tried, 50 put on death row, five are innocent and one is executed, that would be 101 dead people. If the one executed was in fact guilty, then 100 innocent people would have died.

DId you intentionally omit Number two?

I agree with you, that the death penalty is not a deterrant to murder. Not so much because killing is monsterously archaic, but because a person acting in the heat of passion isn't going to stop and say to herself, "Gee, if I wham this hammer in this guy's head, I'll end up lethally injected."

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amnestymyazz 7 months ago

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Are they? Is it the executioner, or the system, that makes the rules? Is the existence of penalty, … Show full comment

Number one I am not the champion of the accused. I am the champion of the innocent people on death row. What I think you are saying is no death penalty means more murder. It has been proven out the death penalty is not a deterrent. If it were then death row would not be the hustling, bustling place it is. Just look at states that had the death penalty then repealed it. Murder rates unchanged.
Yes the removal of the death penalty means an innocent man is never put to death by it's use. So yes fewer innocent people die.

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sara 7 months ago

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The executioner and the system are one and the same. The flaw is the simple existence of the penalt … Show full comment

Are they? Is it the executioner, or the system, that makes the rules?
Is the existence of penalty, really, so simple?
Does your mathematical certainty that an innocent man may be put to death extend to the victim? Or do you champion only the accused?
Yes, I may be reading too simply.
You propose that the absence of a death penalty will reduce the number of innocent people dying.
Really?

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countryplowboy 8 months ago

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The fact is it is not the system. It is the people running it. Like I said before what you have is … Show full comment

In a way it is. The system has been made soft by leftist, activist judges that think the prisoners should be treated like Royalty and give basis for all this ACLU sh*t.

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amnestymyazz 8 months ago

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Yes, that's the reason. And as I have said many times, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if … Show full comment

The fact is it is not the system. It is the people running it. Like I said before what you have is a bunch of educated, driven people trying to be successful in their jobs. If you are a prosecutor and there is a death penalty, your job is to execute murderers. I always say in my job that we have company policy. On the other hand there are things we do to get the job done. They are not one and the same all the time. Same goes for a prosecutor.

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countryplowboy 8 months ago

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You know the courts. Knowing someting and proving it are.. well the reason for the system itself ri … Show full comment

Yes, that's the reason. And as I have said many times, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if the court system wasn't so screwed up.

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amnestymyazz 8 months ago

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Doubtful. So I would put a check in place, a prosecuter who willfully pushed for the death penalt … Show full comment

You know the courts. Knowing someting and proving it are.. well the reason for the system itself right?

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countryplowboy 8 months ago

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Just to share some info- Here is a story that, although not my stance, is another reason the Death P … Show full comment

Doubtful.

So I would put a check in place, a prosecuter who willfully pushed for the death penalty when he knew the evidence was inconclusive would be eligible for it himself.

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amnestymyazz 8 months ago

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This is the difference between the Left and the Right. We can discuss our disagreements, the Left at … Show full comment

Just to share some info- Here is a story that, although not my stance, is another reason the Death Penalty doesn't work.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/1688930,brian-dugan-jeanine-nicarico-guilty-072809.article
Two other guys were sentenced to death for this. If they had been executed, do you think the prosecutors would ever let anyone know the truth?

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countryplowboy 9 months ago

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Fair enough.

This is the difference between the Left and the Right. We can discuss our disagreements, the Left attacks eachother like a pack of rabid dogs.

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amnestymyazz 9 months ago

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I think we both have the same desire here. To see the abominable people who commit such atrocities p … Show full comment

Fair enough.

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countryplowboy 9 months ago

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Dude I'll tell you what. First and foremost I respect your desire and I do not disagree. At least n … Show full comment

I think we both have the same desire here. To see the abominable people who commit such atrocities punished to the maximum extent of the law.

We may disagree with which manner is appropriate (as of right now, this argument of ours would be rendered moot if the prison system was returned to it's original purpose and the UCLA was outlawed) but we want the same thing. And I have a strong feeling if we found anyone commiting the crimes stated above our response would probably be the same.

Yes, one of the reasons I agree with the joke "What do you call 1,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.". And also why I sympathize with Cheney, I mean come on; who wouldn't want to plug a lawyer?:)

By caught in the act I mean by a witness, camera or something else providing incontrovertable proof of guilt. I see what you mean, and as I said before this would be moot if the prison system was overhauled.

The only reason people such as me advocate the death penalty is because it is the only punishment befitting many crimes. As the penal system has been made into something akin to a resort for criminals by organizations like the UCLA.

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amnestymyazz 9 months ago

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Hanging was a deterent, read some history of it. There is oftten video of killings, multiple witnes … Show full comment

No I understand there are times people are caught red handed. You miss my point. Im not crusading for the great majority of murderers that deserve what they get. Period. Im saying that any system will end up prosecuting an innocent man. Human beings will run it. Human beings will make mistakes. Human beings will abuse the system to advance personal agenda. I don't doubt there are times when there is no doubt. I KNOW man cannot run a mistake free system. That mistake, when considering the death penalty, is the murder of an innocent man. That is unaccepptable simply to exact revenge on those that deserve it.

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Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 9 months ago

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The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. If it did, we would not be having this discussion. … Show full comment

Hanging was a deterent, read some history of it. There is oftten video of killings, multiple witnesses, and captures at the scene. These and others are what is red handed. You must be a trial lawyer to doubt that there are times when there is no doubt the person did it.

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amnestymyazz 9 months ago

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My two cents is to be a deterent, bring back public hangings. Those that are red handed (amnestymyaz … Show full comment

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. If it did, we would not be having this discussion. As far as public hangings go.. Is that supposed to embarass them? Death is supposed to be the deterrent. The manner is inconsequential.
No I do not know who is caught red handed. I don't trust anyone with the decision of who lives and who dies. The cop doing the catching? Their is corruption and deceipt at every level of our society. Nothing and no one is immune. Power corrupts.

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Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 9 months ago

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Dude I'll tell you what. First and foremost I respect your desire and I do not disagree. At least n … Show full comment

My two cents is to be a deterent, bring back public hangings. Those that are red handed (amnestymyazz you know who that is too) be given a trail and quick meeting with a rope. The deterent effect would be immense.

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amnestymyazz 9 months ago

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He makes his prisoners work in chain gangs, gives them two channels, makes them live in tents and ma … Show full comment

Dude I'll tell you what. First and foremost I respect your desire and I do not disagree. At least not with what Joe does regarding those aspects you quoted.
My point is you will always have prosecutor that tries to convince a judge that "suspect A" fits the criteria to be put to death. Caught in the act? On camera? By a witness? Again who is the authority? Who si the witness? Who has access to the camera? Do you see what I mean?

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countryplowboy 9 months ago

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I don't know how much time you have spent in prison? Joe Arpaio? He wants news coverage, not justi … Show full comment

He makes his prisoners work in chain gangs, gives them two channels, makes them live in tents and makes them pay for their stay. If that was how the prison systems were nationally I would have no problem with getting rid of the Death Penalty. It would do my heart good to see those vermin have to pay for their life in prison and and work the whole of it.

The authority is if they are caught in the act. If they are caught doing the crime there is little doubt of guilt.

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amnestymyazz 9 months ago

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I have argued the point of it being used only were there is absolute certainty in guilt, it is the o … Show full comment

I don't know how much time you have spent in prison? Joe Arpaio? He wants news coverage, not justice. They call him Dime Bag Joe cuz he busts the small time dealer without getting the big time movers. Why? Too hard. His felony conviction rate, along with his felony warrants served are so low he is being investigated by the Feds again. I wonder if you could find me one person released from death row whose prosecution team would not have argued to the grave that they were not 100% certain of tha persons guilt. Who is the authority in those cases? Who is the guy that is really sure? I never said murderers should be rehabilitated.

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