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From News: The CBO Might Be Wrong, But Orszag Might Not Be Right
Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 4 months agoI think there are definitely legitimate concerns to have. There are definitely multiple - and completely legitimate - views about how health care reform would effect our economy, positively and negatively, and differing views about how best to make our health care system work as well. way2convey (Independent) - 4 months agoQuestion: Specifically what in this plan guarentees I will have better coverage? I have very good insurance now. Also, my plan is not the cheapest plan out there or the most expensive so how can Health Care for America Now claim I will have better coverage, at lower cost when the final bill hasn't even been written yet!? And as far as costs go, the white house CBO disagrees that this plan will lower any costs and indicated it will actually cost more! Patriot Watch (Independent) - 4 months agoTypical Liberal. So what is the conservative plan? I know you havent a clue because you are a liberal robot. Queen (Democratic) - 4 months agoThe idea that the competitive prices of a government health care plan will drive down premiums is an economically one. So, even if the US doesn't go as far as the public health care of Europe, the goal of cheaper health care may be achieved. However, I question whether having a government option will improve the services that are supported by insurance companies. There are two problems that current health care poses: it's too expensive and it doesn't cover everything. Will a government plan be both better? Will it only go halfway? wayway2tall 4 months agoThe problem is that it's socialized medicine, and anything social, republicans disapprove of. But seriously, our country is afraid of the word socialism. It worked great for us in the cold war, but our inability to accept Marxist values may end up ruining us economically. While the free market has worked for us in the past, it might be time to start using a little intelligent design in creating our society for the future. The fact of the matter is that our country is quickly spiraling towards bankruptcy, in large part due to the money we spend on medicare, medicaid, and social security. All of these fall under the department of human services which last year spent $737 billion. To make things worse, the baby boomers are quickly approaching retirement, when they become eligible for these benefits and costs will sky rocket. But what if the solution is health care reform? If the government started collecting what's bascially health insurance payments from a significant amount of americans aged 18-50, who need health care at a rate infinitely lower than that of retirees, we might have a shot of avoiding this financial hurdle. However, I think the democrats are timid about health care reform because they know that if there's even a hiccup in the implementation or execution (poor word choice) of the new health system the republicans will go rabid. The problem is that right now everyone is fighting over who should be captain of a sinking ship when we should all just try to bail out as much water as possible. way2convey (Independent) - 4 months ago
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The problem is that it's socialized medicine, and anything social, republicans disapprove of. But se … Show full post Marxist values? Tell me you are not serious! The problem here is not the lack of socialist policy, the problem is we have adopted far to many Marxist policies! When government involves itself in the private sector beyond it's Constitutional authority it leads to nothing more than more intrusion, more loss of freedom and more failure. The government, not free enterprise is responsible for the looming failure of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. They also stuck their noses in housing market demanding banks give loans to unqualified people. Now our market has collapsed. Give them the dictate over our health care system and they will destroy our freedom as well as our economy. wayway2tall 3 months ago
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Marxist values? Tell me you are not serious! The problem here is not the lack of socialist policy, t … Show full post But free enterprise IS responsible for the current economic turmoil. A market based society is bound to go into a depression. That's how the market works. It's unavoidable. But if some socialism is used to control the economy, these depressions can be avoided, the tradeoff of course being that market growth is generally curbed. way2convey (Independent) - 3 months ago
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But free enterprise IS responsible for the current economic turmoil. A market based society is bound … Show full post It very simple to say free markets have caused our current problems, but the reality is this whole mess started as a result of legislators involving themselves in the market by pressuring banks to make bad loans. Patriot Watch (Independent) - 3 months agoThis post has been removed in accordance with our Terms of Use. wayway2tall 3 months ago
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It very simple to say free markets have caused our current problems, but the reality is this whole m … Show full post You make it sound like the banks didn't want to make those loans. Banks made millions of dollars trading those securities, and the entire country enjoyed its most prolific period of economic growth. That was government at it's best. Now if we could have identified the house of cards that was our economy (and still is) before it all came tumbling down, government may have been able to avoid the crashes that we are experiencing. And if the debt hadn't been run up so much, we would have been able to avoid our current economic situation quite easily. I know, you don't want to hear a liberal blame bush, but I honestly believe that the man was completely asleep at the helm for 8 years. I mean, did he pass any legislation at all that was aimed at fixing our economic situation, which after the market crashes of 9/11 we knew was flimsey at best. I guess he passed the tax rebate... but that hardly seems pitiful in comparision to what the economy needed. way2convey (Independent) - 3 months ago
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You make it sound like the banks didn't want to make those loans. Banks made millions of dollars tra … Show full post Fact is they didn't want to make those loans, otherwise it wouldn't have taken government pressure for them to do it. It not rocket sience to know that when you invest $0.00 into a home, walking away when the interest rates rise is a no brainer. And sure banks made money, but they also knew it would be short lived. Thus, they packaged the bad loans and sold them to Fannie and Freddie and anyone else who would buy them. So, to you, governement at it's best is forcing a business to do things that the business knows are bad. ?? 1 - 11 / 11
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SDU Member Since: Jun 3rd, 2009 - Debate started 4 months ago
According to Health Care for America Now!"
"There is a short answer to the question of what health reform will do for you: Better coverage, lower costs, and the security of knowing you're not at the mercy of private insurance anymore. This is what health care reform will do for you.
The cost of doing nothing - the conservative plan for health care - is staggering: The average family will pay $10,000 more in premiums by 2019 if nothing is done. We can not afford the conservative health care plan. We must reform health care now, for you and me and our families."
Considering this and the current proof that health care reform is unlikely to increase taxes, what's wrong with making health care available to more and to everyone for less?
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