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Return to the Gold Standard

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Return to the Gold Standard

 

scottkirk (Libertarian) - Member Since: Feb 25th, 2009 - Debate started 13 months ago

I think a return to the gold standard would eliminate U.S. corruption and prevent a world catastrophe when the U.S. has a minor recession. More later...

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max 13 months ago

What would you project the value of the dollar after returning to the gold standard?

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Lex Lowther 13 months ago

It's laughable to even consider returning to the gold standard. I'm guessing you never studied economics. Here's a down and dirty review of the Gold Standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

Besides that, politicians and other power brokers who are hooked on spending money we don't have would never let it happen.

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jel 12 months ago

I think a return to the gold standard would eliminate U.S. corruption and prevent a world catastrophe when the U.S. has a minor recession. More later...

Plenty of corruption existed when the Gold standard existed. It was a meaningless way to judge wealth

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Big-G (Independent) - 12 months ago

The upside of the return is you have a fixed amount of currency in the market as it is pegged to the amount a country has. This also prevents much government overspending as they can not print currency from thin air. They can only spend what they have.

The USA has this in place as a back-up currency. The USA can print and distribute an entire new currency tied to the gold it holds in reserves within 5 days.

Yet, I would not advocate for the return, I mean you lose the money multiplier effect and that is WICKED awesome!!!

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jel 12 months ago

Big-G wrote on April 7, 2009 at 12:57PM EDT

[Quote]The upside of the return is you have a fixed amount of currency in the market as it is pegged to the amount a country has. This also prevents much government overspending as they can not print currency from thin air. They can only spend what they have.

The USA has this in place as a back-up currency. The USA can print and distribute an entire new currency tied to the gold it holds in reserves within 5 days.
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So So. Africa, Canada , Russia, and Australia get to be the worlds riches? Because of the amount of Gold? Proctivity and other items of value don't count. Why not tsilver, Copper, Uranium or any other metal or jewel?

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Big-G (Independent) - 12 months ago

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[Quote]The upside of the return is you have a fixed amount of currency in the market as it is pegged … Show full post

Jel, you are right, I mean why not peg it to peanut butter or jelly? Really it's just something humans have always thought had value. I mean diamonds are just another rock until you place human demand (women and shinny rings) into the equation.

Most people do not understand that even today almost all currency is pegged or partially pegged to a single or group of currency. Then those that do not peg usually stay within a set percent of a choice currency or average of others i.e. "The Snake in the Tunnel".

This is why we see China, Russia, and others now wanting an international non-physical currency which all currency will be pegged too or average against. The USA is of course against this as the Dollar has been the reserve currency for generations, yet many believe now that a single country's currency is too risky to be the reserve currency as many countries that now have HUGE economic issues because they were tied to the Dollar and US economy. Many would not have had their current problems with a international reserve currency.

Another argument could be for an international currency to replace all others and form one massive common currency area such as the USA has done or the EU has done with the Euro-Zone. It would reduce transaction costs and allow all calculations to be standardized.

I personally am against the gold standard, yet I think using a mixture of metals, and stable currencies as a basket to form a reserve currency from is a good idea, yet of course many years of debate would be needed to form the correct structure.

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Stand4Liberty (Independent) - 10 months ago

Lex Lowther wrote on April 2, 2009 at 11:22PM EDT
It s laughable to even consider returning to the gold standard.

Very narrow and if I may say uninformed view of the idea, first off the idea is a return to a commodity backed currency (as opposed to a fiat one) which the popular culture generally refers to "the gold standard" , this doesn't however dictate that the only viable backing for currency is singularly gold (there are various possible alternatives including baskets of commodities).

It is the only viable alternative to ever devaluing currency and ultimately the decline of living standards or do you enjoy having ever declining dollars in your bank account and the accumluation of real wealth and power by an ever shrinking segment of the population which are brought about by the distribution effects of inflation and fiat money?

Perhaps this work by F.A. Hayek may shed some light for you on what a system based on free market currency offers -->
http://mises.org/story/3204

Might be a good time to investigate the idea since when the dollar crashes (and it's well on it's way to doing so) those that understand the alternatives and act on them ahead of time are going to be the ones having the last laugh.

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Stand4Liberty (Independent) - 10 months ago

For those interested in learning more about this subject, here is an excellent introductory video:

http://mises.org/multimedia/video/Fed.wmv

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, If so many children are lying, then that is your education in schools is a problem, I can play to telecommunications call records to prove that they lie, you can handle them do? I told Secretary Wang hiding behind the skirt is very complex and, in addition to the unusual color in addition to high-tech crimes involving corruption, and participants are asked her to do, but she would not listen. She again my turn to be picked up the child, if a problem at school she was irresponsible. But also said: in the future would affect his daughter graduate, graduate schools have a comprehensive assessment (implying that she can so that we do not graduate). I asked her: Are you on getting a graduate blackmail me? Call to an end.
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Time of registration to see the instructor, said: how you have managed to get quite good restoration? Their own side once again we also have to check points, the results of this paper have been destroyed finished.
There are the basis of control engineering, mechanical design basis A1. I still have questions about these courses, with more ways to block me, I graduated from the fight against al service. At present students have been looking for work but I can not candidates, because there is no diploma find jobs?
Prostitutes in the bedroom, said openly that money on the bottom beneath them is to expect to make a little money. You make money or not I do not care, it was not that I can control, and now Chinese social atmosphere this way, the whole country a spring. But why do you not for the good and decent girl insisted forced prostitution? Not from the implementation of large encirclement, and this siege is one of the college participants are guided to do. I. Members of the meeting that they have to protect the reputation of the Shenyang Institute of Technology, I think the reputation and brand is created out of, rather than cover their out, and guide the leadership to do that is to enact a license to become a prostitute and also imitation, that imitation brand-li against unemployment do ?
Now that women took part in the PubMed, in the review period has been showing off her siemens. I think that the bad guys learn the more the greater the harm to society,
This problem I been from 2009 to August 26 the State Department began to reflect the Prevention of Corruption Bureau and the Central Discipline Inspection Commission of this without result.
It bluntly, this is a "Xinhua Gate" scandal, with ghosting, which is central scandal, my postings have been blocked, and only here a message came. My network sealed.

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