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revolution?

revolution?

 

-save the US- (Republican) - Member Since: Dec 5th, 2008 - Debate started 13 months ago

should we overthrow obama to protect our democracy? what do you guys think?

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Threedee (Republican) - 13 months ago

No. I'm not an Obama aupporter, but I'm also not insane. You want to do something, help clean up the GOP and make it a formidable opposition party again. The Democrats have survived the Federalist and Whig parties, as well as numerous conflicts with the Republicans throughout history, and if you let them, they will live to see another opposition party created to slow down their rampage against the American experiment.

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FreedomGirl 13 months ago

I don't think that Obama is doing anything detrimental to the democracy.

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hepsy 13 months ago

Response to FreedomGirl
I don't think that Obama is doing anything detrimental to the democracy.

Do you think Obama is doing anything beneficial for the economy? If so, what?

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FREEDOMMM (Republican) - 13 months ago

I think the only question is whether he wants a Labour-France govt, or something like what China has. All this spending has consequences: when the money is taken from the private sector to increase the number of govt employees. He has proposed 15 Trillion in new spending, that's out of a 50 trillion dollar economy. He's also making it harder for private capital to move around and he's trying to make us invest in Govt instead of Charities and 401ks. This is still quite serious, don't discount these leftward moves.

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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 13 months ago

Yes, in 2010 through peaceful removal of the people who ignore us and then replacing them with people who represent the will of the people. Then again in 2012 by the peaceful removal of Obama and replacing him with a president who realizes that he or she serves the people and not their own ideology.

In the meantime we have to stand up and let the government know we are watching and are not pleased.

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peacemaker 12 months ago

I don't think its right to overthrow Obama, but I'm not all enthusiastic about him either. Just overthrowing a president isn't just right. (Though I thinks it's right to overthrow a mad and corrupt president like our president)

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jel 12 months ago

I think that the original suggestion is TREASON and I dioubt that you can gather mush support for that stupidity

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Original post: Don't you think that overthrowing a POPULARLY elected leader would be counterproductive in the protection of democracy?

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JLhiggins 11 months ago

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Original post: Don't you think that overthrowing a POPULARLY elected leader would be counterproducti … Show full post

If a democracy's voting process is based on popularity, it may be counterproductive,

The United States of America is not a democracy. Elections are not won by popular vote. The Founders of United States Constitution explain why we are not a democracy, and they explain why the presidency is not won by popular vote, if you want to know.

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If a democracy's voting process is based on popularity, it may be counterproductive, The United S … Show full post

Pardon me, i misspoke. Technically, we are a republic, and although Barack Obama, did win the popular vote, he was brought into office by a majority count of delegates. The purpose of the post: a hostile overthrow does not serve as a productive measure to maintain the current system of government.

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JLhiggins 11 months ago

Response to princesslaura69
Pardon me, i misspoke. Technically, we are a republic, and although Barack Obama, did win the popula … Show full post

Do you know the purpose to the question of overthrow?
It hinges on an sections from the same document that identifies United States a Representative Republic.

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Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 11 months ago

Response to princesslaura69
Pardon me, i misspoke. Technically, we are a republic, and although Barack Obama, did win the popula … Show full post

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. Thomas Jefferson
obama is proving through his socialist actions and census, ACORN vote rigging plans that he is a tyrant in the making.

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jel 11 months ago

George Washington pointed out to the Whiskey Rebels that THE REVOLUTION gave people the right to elect their representatives. So get out and elect people you think represent you and learn to live with the fact you may not always win and there is nothing in the Constitution that allow you to rebel just because most voters disagre with you

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jel 11 months ago

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Yes, in 2010 through peaceful removal of the people who ignore us and then replacing them with peopl … Show full post

Of coarse there is the fact that it appears thaat the majority of Americans support Obama

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jel 11 months ago

Response to princesslaura69
Pardon me, i misspoke. Technically, we are a republic, and although Barack Obama, did win the popula … Show full post

We are clearly a Democratic-Republic not a Latin American version. We allow for regular elections to replace unwanted leaders or policies To rebel would be treason and subject to imprisonment or execution.

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jel 11 months ago

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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. Th … Show full post

I remember when the left was claiming the same thing about G. Bush. Both sides of extremism are stupidly wrong.

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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 11 months ago

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Of coarse there is the fact that it appears thaat the majority of Americans support Obama

He has personal popularity but the majority of America disagree with his policies by more than 50%

Obama can't run in 2010, and he can't be everywhere on the campaign trail.

Four years is a long way to go, Obama can only have so much free press before people get tired of him. He's a celebrity. I predict burnout.

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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 11 months ago

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I remember when the left was claiming the same thing about G. Bush. Both sides of extremism are stu … Show full post

The difference is that Obama with ACORN's help is actually in position to attempt it.

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jel 11 months ago

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He has personal popularity but the majority of America disagree with his policies by more than 50% … Show full post

Support for indidual policies varies. ot much for bail outs, More for his forign policy and even more for fixing health care. Generalizations are meaningless. 2010 will be decided at the local level more likely then not and it's a long way tell 2012 and before we have aclue it will depend on the state of the economy and who the eGOP nominates

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jel 11 months ago

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The difference is that Obama with ACORN's help is actually in position to attempt it.

Nonsense ACORN is a smalll group of people hardly any adult with a brain would consider it a threat. to the USA. Mosrly it stikes fear in the hearts of hate groups who outnumber it.

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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 11 months ago

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Support for indidual policies varies. ot much for bail outs, More for his forign policy and even mo … Show full post

2010 local level - The tea parties are an excellent example of local grassroots. There will be many incumbents getting the boot.

Obama's foreign policy is pathetic and he will not fix health care if he follows the European model.

The economy may show a little improvement in 2010 and 2011 from the artificial infusion of tax money, but we're looking at massive inflation that h won't be able to stop.

Who the GOP nominates will be important yes, but not as much as how screwed up Obama makes the US

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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 11 months ago

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Nonsense ACORN is a smalll group of people hardly any adult with a brain would consider it a threat … Show full post

A 'small group of people' given 3 billion dollars in the Stimulus.

A 'small group of people' who influence elections by bussing the same homeless people to multiple voting locations and knowingly file false voter registrations via quotas.

A 'small group of people' assisting in the Census which will effect voting districts and the Electoral college.

A 'small group of people' with offices in 42 states and connected to Community Organizers and Unions across the country.

Feel free to live in your dream world, but don't tell people falsehoods.

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jel 11 months ago

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A 'small group of people' given 3 billion dollars in the Stimulus. A 'small group of people' wh … Show full post

#1 Provide evidense they recieved 3 Billion in stimulus money

#2 Prove that they bused people rfrom one voting site to another. Certainly wouldn't work in my state

#3 Census jobs aree aailable sogn up if you are concerned

#4Gee Community organizers across the country? No doubt where else would they be?

#% I think you live in a paranoid world and are into right wing conspiracy theories

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jel 11 months ago

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2010 local level - The tea parties are an excellent example of local grassroots. There will be many … Show full post

#1 The tea parties attracted a lot of nuts including wachos who want youj to take kids out of college and burn book. All to gether if they all move into one Congressional district they could elect one Congressman

#2 In your opinion his foreign policy is pathetic. I think it's far better then GWB's First What European model are you talking about? Diffderent countries use different models. Our model is the most expensive in the world and doesn't provide the best care.

#3 Again you have ean economic OPINION without any proof. You and Rush desired outcome will occur

#4 I am afraid tyhe quality of his GOP candidate will matter unless he is to successful and he is unbeatable.

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padokc (Republican) - 11 months ago

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I don't think that Obama is doing anything detrimental to the democracy.

Go watch the movie "Doctor Shalvalgo" .... what happened in that movie when wealth was re-distributed? Hum? Famine. President Obama has the same idea....take from the wealthy and give to the poor. In doing so he will destroy the engine of wealth. It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work now.

I say this because of your answer "freedomgirl"....
"I don't think that Obama is doing anything detrimental to the democracy."

Have you read the Constitution? That idea is unconstitutional. Have you not studied history and the governments of history? Have you any idea what Carl Marx's ideas were about?

Apparently you haven't with that remark. Once this snowball starts down hill there is no stopping it. Once people are on the government titty there is no getting them off.

Young people voted entirely on emotions and leftist Hollywood comedian's jokes did as much to get the youth vote in for Obama as anything. If young people only understand policy, or civics they might know that the real joke is on them. Wait until this begins to grind into your own taxes and pocket book. You kids and mine will have to pay for all of this civic engineering and wild spending...into the trillions.

I'm a "baby boomer" ... you will have to take care of all of us now but guess what? There isn't enough money to do that now thanks to this administration and the last. There goes YOUR lifestyle and YOUR freedom as well as ours.

Can you even imagine health care run by the government? or the auto industry run by government? or the banking system run by government. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. This is exactly what has happened and it is NOT democracy. Have you not noticed that Medicare will be out of money in about five years ... ha... oh....who's going to pay for that?

YOU my dear! The joke is on you. Sad.

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