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this topic doesn't really effect my way of voting. I think a believer as well as a non believer can do the job.

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Check the history of some of our early Presidents. They certainly weren't believers in any current sense

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>Excuse me but isn't non believing still a belief?

No. As one wag famously said, "atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color."

>In most people's eyes it shows you respect something higher than yourself.

In many people's eyes belief in supernatural spirits shows you are a deluded moron who really shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold public office.

>If America would allow humans to govern themselves,
>then the problem would be solved

What problem?

I thought America DID allow its humans to govern themselves, through a system called representative democracy. Are you advocating anarchy?

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>atheism is a religion.

That's simply an idiotic statement. Atheism, by definition, is the lack of religion. Do you think it furthers your argument to lie so absurdly?

>you are taught to believe things using the theory of darwinism.

"Darwinism" is not the basis of atheism. Reasonable skepticism and fondness for truth are the basic elements of atheism. Evolution is also not a "theory," if by theory you mean something that is postulated but not proven. Evolution has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

>i have a hard time believing that if charles didnt decide
>upon it, you woudve thought of it on your own

I have a hard time believing you graduated high school and have an IQ in triple digits. I was an atheist long before I ever heard of Darwin, who certainly did not invent the lack of belief in God. That's been a characteristic of intelligent and superior people since the dawn of Man.

"The world holds two classes of men -- intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence." - Abu'l-Ala-Al-Ma'arri

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>I'd have no issue with a non-Christian so long as
>they respect the Constitution

Atheists respect the U.S. Constitution far more than do Christians, who are constantly trying to violate, ignore, abrogate and alter its clear requirtement for the separation of religion from government. It's mainly Christians who deny the obvious truth that freddom OF religion includes freeedom FROM religion.

>and believed that our freedoms derive from a higher
>source than the government,

But they don't. The freedoms guaranteed to Americans by the Constitution were decided upon by a handlful of smart, rich, liberal-minded and progressive white guys in the 18th century, and not some supernatural power.

If Man's "freedoms" had been handed down by a god, they would be the same everywhere on Earth, but they clearly are not. And don't forget, when the Constitution was written, Americans' freedoms included the right to own another human being. Now it does not. Do you believe that ending slavery was a defiance of God's will?

Those who believe our political liberties and civil rights were a gift from some invisible Big Guy in the Sky instead of what they are -- a carefully thought-out menu of rights deliberately decided upon by the nation's founders -- are deluded morons who shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold public office.

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>there is nothing idiotic about saying atheism is a religion.

It is, in fact, so idiotic, that anyone who makes that claim should be totally ignored forevermore for being a lying, deluded asshole.

re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən)
n. 1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

a·the·ism (ā'thē-ĭz'əm)
n. 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

Game . . . set . . . match.

>evolution is no longer a theory,

You're quite right. It is almost universally accepted as fact.

I think it's fascinating that in any discussion of religion, some Christian will invariably pipe up and say, “there is no such thing as an atheist,” or "Atheism is a religion." Or, alternatively, the ever-popular (and my personal favorite), "It takes more faith to be an atheist than to believe in God." Both statements are crap, of course. As one wit pointed out, "Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color." And it's obvious that atheism -- by definition a lack of belief -- cannot require faith. So why do they tell these outrageous lies? I have a theory. Deep down, all religious types resent the damage to their lives and minds caused by the mythological bullshit they were force-fed, and want to believe that they're not the only ones suffering from religious mania. So they hope to convince atheists that they, too, are deluded. Which, of course, we're not. It is, when all is said and done, simply a case of misery loving company.

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>A religion is just a belief system.

It s a belief system that is centred around belief in a higher power or powers and the supernatural.

It's true atheists believe that no gods exist, and so one can regard atheism as a "belief," but to call it a "religion" is moronic, and a dishonest dialectical tactic used only by religious propagandists and jackasses who don't know what they're braying about.

As the man said, atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.

>If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Atheists HAVE decided.

What we've decided is that there has never been one shred of evidence for the existence of any gods or anything supernatural whatsoever, which indicates that there's no such thing(s), and that belief in god(s) serves mainly as a comforting fantasy for the ignorant, the hapless, the stupid, the vain, the deluded and brainwashed.

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>Personally I could care less if Atheism is a religion or not.

Apparently you do, since you keep returning to the question.

Clearly, atheism is in no way a religion. The only people who bring up the question are believers in the supernatural who hope that equating atheism with religion discredits atheists by making them seem as stupid, deluded, brainwashed, unreasonable, illogical and muddle-headed as are most believers in spirits in the sky, ghosts, goblins, faeries, angels, devils and all that other childish bullshit, belief in which profits no one but control freaks and a religious establishment populated almost exclusively by lying charlatans who've discovered that preaching nonsense to sheeple is easier than working for a living, and child molesters.

"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is
freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty
to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to
understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact
it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The
definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity:
Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
-Emmett F. Fields

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>think you can figure out for yourself why i wont bother
>explainig (sic) all the things wrong with that comment.

Yes -- because you can't think of a single thing wrong with my observation that only idiots and liars claim that atheism is a religion.

Clearly, atheism is not in any sense a religion.

>you know, if more than 3 people on this blog are
>telling you that youre wrong

"If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." -- Anatole France

>get a life

Get some education. Get some common sense. Get enough class to stop calling yourself a Republican. Get a job.

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>Shut up gowch.

Not a chance, Bugs.

>Not everyone has to agree with you about such
>broad topics as religion.

Or about anything else. Disagreement -- that's what makes for debates. Since you're obviously uncomfortable with debating, or with opinions that differ from your own, I recommend you find another way to pass the time than to hang around a site where people, you know . . . debate. Why not fire up your Nintendo, like the other kids on the block, and leave theological discussions to the adults?

>You're addicted to bickering.

You're addicted to being a dick.

>And don't be a prick, it's labor day. Chill out.

I don't take orders from dicks. Byte me.

>Why would a republican, call himself a nut?

I don't know. Perhaps because he realizes that the Republican party is populated by the stupid, the deluded, the reactionary, the racist and, yes, the insane.

Hope this helps.

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I would rather have a competent agnostic or atheist than an incompetent of any religious flavor. I have never yet met an ag or ath who condemned me for me beliefs, or judged me based on my religion. Can the same be said about Christians?

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KristiAnn, you really should try to pass elementary school English before participating in opinion forums with adults. If you were smarter, your illiteracy would be embarrassing to you.

>the same cant be said about atheist.

You mean c-a-n-'t? You mean a-t-h-e-i-s-t-s?

>the majority of them are very closed minded.

You've met most of the world's atheists, have you?

>im not trying to rival with you

Are you joking? "Rival with you?"

>but it seems foolish for you to base your opinions off stereotypes and/or ideas of society.

". . . base your opinons off . . . ideas of society, , ," You know this is gibberish, don't you?

>not all christians are bad

Did anyone say they were?

>and not all atheist are good.

"Not all atheist are. . .?

KristiAnn, your illiteracy is matched only by your arrogance and bigotry. Chimpanzees write better than you do. If you are an example of what religion can do to a person, perhaps it's time we consider launching a serious campaign to abolish it once and for all before it can create too many more intellectually impaired God-droids like you..

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Awesome, a new atheist to poke and annoy!

In reponse to your ignorant inital reply to my statements:

1) There is no such thing as Separation of Church and State in the Constitution. You are welcome to look, heck you might learn something. We *are* a Christian Nation, but that does not mean we are a Nation of Christians.

2) Our Founders recognized that the right to freedom comes from Natural Law and it is the government's responsibility to protect that right. True enough, most other countries do not protect a person's innate right to freedom. That does not make restricting that the correct thing to do. The reason we know that the right to freedom does not derive from other people allowing it is quite simple: if it was the government that determined how free we could be, then we wouldn't recognize that restricting people's freedoms was wrong because the government would tell us. You don't need the government to know that slavery is wrong, in fact you know it is wrong despite the fact it was allowed.

p.s. - Slavery was not in the American Constitution either. It may have been in the southern state's Consitutions, but the best thing you will find in the American Constitution is the 3/5 Compromise that was put in place to prevent the political power grabs from the states that allowed slavery and did not allow their slaves the right to vote.

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

In this way the Founders left the door open for slaves to be freed in a way that would benefit the states who prevented certain citizens to be free by their own laws.

3) And last but not least, in your innane ramblings about imaginary friends and your issues with faith - Anything that is given by man, can be taken away. If you are saying that the government gives you your freedom, then the government can take your freedom away.

You are quite the zealot for your faith in Nothing, I'll give you that.

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