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Michael Moore

Michael Moore

 

countryplowboy Member Since: Mar 17th, 2009 - Debate started 11 months ago

Is Michael Moore an A$$hole? Your thoughts.

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rreppy (Green) - 5 months ago

Well, even if you disagree with what he says in his documentaries, every thing in them is backed up by evidence and references. This is in contrast to Rush Limbaugh, whom I have never heard anything but lies come out of his mouth in all the years I've been listening to him. He doesn't even bother to pretend to be factual anymore; he just makes s**t up as he goes! So, who's the a*****e here?

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Well, even if you disagree with what he says in his documentaries, every thing in them is backed up … Show full post

No they aren't. "Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics".There's a better chance of Disney making Predator 3 than there is of Michael Moore sticking to facts.

Yeah, sure. You think that Bowling for Columbine is true but Rush lies.

Quite simply? Moore.

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rreppy (Green) - 4 months ago

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No they aren't. "Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics".There's a better chance of … Show full post

Give me one example of a lie of Moore's. Just one.

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Give me one example of a lie of Moore's. Just one.

Cuba has a better healthcare system than we do.

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Give me one example of a lie of Moore's. Just one.

And also here is another thing showing just how much of a stupidumasinus moore is.
http://www.politics.com/video/szoMM5IFNNw/the-insanity-that-comes-from-the-mind-of-michael-moore/

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rreppy (Green) - 4 months ago

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Cuba has a better healthcare system than we do.

"Cuba has a better healthcare system than we do." - That is neither a truth nor a lie, but an opinion, like "vanilla is better than chocolate". The Cuban healthcare system covers all its citizens and does not bankrupt people just because they get sick. Some may agree that that fits the definition of "better". They do not have the expensive life-extending technologies we have. Some may say that makes them worse. Either way, these are opinions and not facts. I'm beginning to understand the problem you are having in seperating the Truth from the spew that comes out of Rush Limbaugh.

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rreppy (Green) - 4 months ago

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"Cuba has a better healthcare system than we do." - That is neither a truth nor a lie, … Show full post

So, I'm still waiting for an example of a lie from Michael Moore.

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"Cuba has a better healthcare system than we do." - That is neither a truth nor a lie, … Show full post

So you were living under a rock when he was running around talking up his movie "Sicko"? You are seriously trying to tell me he did not present those statements as fact?

You are so quick to attack Rush, why?

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rreppy (Green) - 4 months ago

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So you were living under a rock when he was running around talking up his movie "Sicko"? Y … Show full post

Again you speak too much in generalities. Which statements in "Sicko" do you take issue with? I saw the movie, and he pretty much got it right. Talking up his movie is expected; it's marketing. You said he lied somewhere. Where?

I attack Rush because I don't think I have ever yet heard a single truthful thing come out of his mouth. Really. I don't like him because he goes way beyond free speech. He is inciting his minions to riot and advocating insurgency against his lawful president. That's like yelling "fire!" in a theatre, and it is not protected speech under the Constitution.
Do you think anybody with an ounce of patriotic feelings in their veins would say something like "I'd rather see America fail than Obama succeed"? Rush said that. He's an ass.

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Again you speak too much in generalities. Which statements in "Sicko" do you take issue w … Show full post

Generalities? The whole movie is one big @ss lie. The premise of the movie is that Cuba and other countries with Nationalized Healthcare have a better Healthcare System than us. Which is simply laughable. It cites a UN study which has as it's criteria for a good system that the "rich subsidize the poor" and "fairness" which is set up so as a country who's doctors go Jason Voorhees on their patients rank higher than ours. But if you want specifics, did he not say that America has one of the worst healthcare systems in the world? And what of bowling for columbine? Did you not watch the video I submitted?

Do you listen to Rush? So, he can't speak highly of the Free Market and Republican system of government but you can laud communism and threaten to make my blood run in the streets? Free Speech covers ALL speech, not just what you want to hear. He is not advocating insurgency or riot, unlike your beloved liberal leaders who back, probably before you were born, during rioting said that if the rioters were not given what they wanted "there would be more" and that it wasn't their fault but "society's".

Like hell he did you lying stupidumasinus. He said he wanted to see The One to fail. The meaning being maybe all of you who are willing to turn a blind eye to where his policies have been implemented in the past, and failed miserably, will finally get the picture that Marxism doesn't work.

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rreppy (Green) - 4 months ago

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Generalities? The whole movie is one big @ss lie. The premise of the movie is that Cuba and other co … Show full post

One, the whole movie is not a lie if he's expressing an opinion that other countries have a better health care system than we. Canadians, Aussies, Britons, Kiwis, Swedes, and Frenchmen will all agree with him, and none of them would trade their system with ours.
I am a doctor myself and intimately familiar with how our system works, and I can assure you, it is in dire need of reform. The insurance company bean counters have taken critical medical decision making out of the hands of doctors, and that is disastrous. Moore was making an important and valid point.
Second, I have never once said anything espousing Marxism or Communism. Those political systems are obvious failures. So, where did you get that from in anything I have said? Do you automatically equate liberalism with Marxism? That's Rush talking. He is ignorant and a liar. Did you know he never even went to college? The man makes things up and pulls them out of his ass. Get over him.
Third, you said "Like hell he did you lying stupidumasinus. He said he wanted to see The One to fail. " No. He did in fact say that he would rather see America fail than Obama succeed. That is a direct quote. It was covered on the TV networks, Newsweek, US News and World Report, the NY Times, the Washington Post, and more. It's very well documented, Can't weasle your way out of this one.
Speaking of documentation, I sent you a source on the Nerve Gas thing. Did you read it? I wasn't able to watch your video about Columbine because my computer can't play it for some reason. I promise to watch it if you send me a reference to it in another format.

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One, the whole movie is not a lie if he's expressing an opinion that other countries have a better h … Show full post

You do not seem to get this, he states it as fact and uses flawed statistics to try and prove it. He then crusades for laws to be made based on his flawed reasoning and statistics. I do not care if you think it is an opinion, it is still a lie. Those GOVERNMENTS would not trade their system for ours, their citizenry is another matter entirely.

Reform, not government takeover. Let me put this to you point blank, have you read the bill you seem to want to cram down the throats of a populace that does not want it? First you call it an opinion, now a point. If it is a point it can be a lie, and it is.

Then why do you want violent revolution? Then why do you want government run healthcare? Why do you want a limit on religious freedom? Why do you want a cap on what peoploe should earn? Those are basic themes of Marxism and it's derivative Communism. If you admit they have failed why do you push for such positions?

Ignorant? This from somebody who says that The One is a proponent of the Free Market while he buys and nationalizes companies. I know he never went to college, he regrets that. Or did you not read his books? He doesn't make things up or pull them from his arse. You must only look to The One for that. And you do not have to go to college to be knowledgable, or do you think that college is the only place where learning can take place?

Again, no he didn't. You are either willfully lying our blissfully ignorant. Either way you are still wrong. I have seen the things you are refering to, they equate the General Secretary with America to come to that conclusion. I weasle my way out of nothing, however you seem to be trying on other topics.

I already replied. Here is the youtube link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szoMM5IFNNw

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rreppy (Green) - 4 months ago

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You do not seem to get this, he states it as fact and uses flawed statistics to try and prove it. He … Show full post

You do not have to go to college to be knowledgable, but if you are going to present yourself as some sort of pontificating expert on a wide range of topics, and claim you know better than people with REAL credentials, then, yes, I have a problem with that. It would be a lot more honest if Rush started every show with the disclaimer, "I'm a dumbass, but here's what I think, all facts to the contrary..."
As for nationalizing companies, if billions of our tax dollars are going to bail out companies that are "too big to fail", then yes, I damn well want the government to exert some control for my money. The Big Car Makers of Detroit fought for years against better mileage standards and greener practices. Now Obama gets to say, "hey, f**k you, you took our money, now you're going to toe the line and put these things into practice". Good for him. I call that acting responsibility. Bush just threw money at them and demanded no concessions in return. What a dumbass.
Likewise, he gets to tell the banks that they're going to have to play by the rules again. I loved it when WAMU Mortgage Co. told Obama that it was very nice that he had suggestions to make about their loan practices, but they were a private company and didn't have to comply. He said "the f**k you don't! You took the money! You're going to help these poor schmucks losing their homes now, whether you want to or not!". Now, THAT'S a President!
And, lest you think he's "seizing" the companies as some sort of socialist agenda (listening to the Fat One again!), notice what happened when Goldman Sachs Co. paid back their bailout loan; the government immediately backed off and got out of their business. NO attempt to retain control.
You are so wrong. I bet if you grew up in the fifties you would have been a John Bircher, seeing Commies under the bed and in the closets. I bet you think Joe McCarthy was a good guy, and actually believe that Ronald Reagan won the Cold War, instead of just happening to be present when the USSR self-imploded. I'm right, aren't I?

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You do not have to go to college to be knowledgable, but if you are going to present yourself as som … Show full post

Again, you think that learning can take place only in college? Credentials? Do you forget that at one time those with "credentials" said the Earth was Flat? Do you forget that at one time those with "credentials" said the heavens revolved around the Earth? "Credentials" mean nothing if you know not of which you speak. You think he's wrong? Well I hate to differ...like hell...but can you refute ANYTHING he says? The people who should start their shows with that disclaimer are Maher, Uberass(AKA Olbermann), Colbert etcetera.

First, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE. Second, you were just saying how we had a brush with Fascism yet now you want it? Your such a joke. Ohh, "Green"...you mean to avert the global warming which isn't happening? They fought because it should be THEIR choice which cars to build, not some bureaucrat who's getting money from Uniions and crazy Enviromentalist groups. I call that acting Tyrannical. You claim to be against Fascism but support Communist Totalitarianism? H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

You dumbass idiot! You sit here and laud him for acting like Stalin yet you damn Bush for going along with the lefts demands. He sits there and takes the Free Market apart peice by peice and all you can say is "way to go"? I don't think, I know. Yet even by what you've described he's a Marxist who hates our very founding principles. And GSC, you mean the company from which he has picked many of his appointees?

No, I sadly am not. Even by your own admission he's a Marxist. Joe McCarthy saw the evils of communism, unlike you who seem to think Stalin was the man. Reagan won the Cold War alright, he did it by making them spend much, much more than their government controlled economy could. You would do well to heed the example of the dangers the type of economy you advocate for inherently has.

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guitar102 (Democratic) - 1 week ago

He has been on occasion. But look at his basic persona (at least when he started out): that us a dumpy nerd with glasses going around with cameraman and mike in tow to annoyingly ask very pointed questions at people who are not use to being questioned at all (like on Roger & Me') or when the Taliban illegalized TV sets (way before 9/11) and Michael sent van after van of TV sets to the Afghanistan people.

But in 'Bowling For Columbine' where he hassles an aging Charlton Heston about the promotion of firearms he was a big asshole. Of course Heston responded in his usual gentlemanly manner by walking away with a smile that said 'you know even at my age I could still kick the living s**t out of your liberal ass!'. So, he would do things like pop into the property of CEOs of the auto industry to see if they knew how to change the oil in a car (one actually did) which caused Clint Eastwood to quip at an Academy Awards ceremony (from the stage) that he like Michael Moore but if he ever showed up on his property 'I'm going to shoot your ass!' but that's his persona - like Howard Stern but not as loud and obnoxious. Sometimes he's been brilliant like when he continued to follow CEO Roger Smith about taking jobs to Mexico and rendering a good part of Flint, Michigan unemployed even though the profits were way above average - to basically ask him 'Why?'. He shows the after effect of this mass localized unemployment with the increase of crime and the subsequent building of new prisons which Moore quips sarcastically created a few new jobs.

In some ways I don't have to think; I KNOW he's an a*****e (like the way he manages to NEVER discuss Israel in '911' - hint hint - he's managed by the brother of Zionut Rahm Emmanuel - LOL)

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