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To deny states individual rights is like to require citizens to relinquish individual rights.
While I understand your perspective of unity, it contributes, but I don't think that is what makes US united. If the states were one conglomerate, we'd be be trying to be separate, e pluribus unum = from many, one. The fact we're not herded (yet), that we can make choices to move to another state with politics more to our liking, lends credence to our liberty.

Function of state governments differ from federal. Thomas Jefferson opined that states can best govern domestic concerns and federal government, foreign ones.
If any state's rights are denied, why would your rights be respected? Our rights are secured in our Constitution. It is up to US to diligently guard them.

The Right of states to secede (not succeed as others write) from the Union allows those states the opportunity to regroup and reclaim an undiluted Constitution. For those of us opposed to the degradation of our Constitution, it gives the rest of US the option to move there. (Well, in theory.)

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States are not part of the federal government.
1. Read Article 4 of the Constitution.

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Here is a thought to ponder, maybe if certain states secede, both the Union and those states would be better off. After all... if they don't want to be part of the Union, maybe they shouldn't be and maybe the Union doesn't want/need them anyway.

If the people in a given state overwhelmingly want to be independent or form their own union, why not let them? Would it be so tragic if Vermont withdrew from the union to reclaim their former Republic, or if Oregon and Washington formed Cascadia? Perhaps it will benefit both them and the US. The US will exist with 3, 50 or 100 states, the number does not mater. United States just means a federation of independent states, that is how it was founded.

Either way, it should be up to the people. The people are, supposedly, the government. If they want to be their own government, who are you to tell the people they cannot or that they are wrong? Essentially this falls into the debate on the right to self-rule. People have a right to self rule in their own fashion, if the people in 'X' state decide they want a change, shouldn't the people have that right?

After all... the people did it once before... it was called the American Revolution.

Just thoughts to consider...

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Why do you say Federal government is the NATIONAL and state governments?

In the US, State and Federal governments are separate. This is not my opinion. See the 10th Amendment.
Basically, all powers not granted to the federal government are reserved for the states and the people.
Each state has its own Executive, Legislative and Judical branches of government.

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There is a reason why not everyhting the people want are given. the people act on immediate pleasures and it is up to the government to act not through emotion but through reason to determine what happens.
If any state that wants to exit the union is simply allowed to exit the country as a whole will be significantly weak, if any state doesn't get what they want they will want to live thereby ridding the national government of its powers.

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So... you are pro-Government and anti-people. You believe government should make the decisions, because people are just to dumb to do it. You will never believe in the right's of people to choose how thy are governed if you have such an affection for faulty governance.

The fact is that states are formed by the will of the people. The United States of America is a case and point example, the people wanted something based on reactionary emotion, from that the USA was born. Would you prefer we were still under the British crown?

Self-rule in a right of people. They can choose their government. If they choose to be governed in an independent state, so be it. The union was meant to be a loose federation, it has divulged into something very different, something it was not intended nor designed to be.

A lesson in American history will tell you that our founders favored very independent states, states who could choose to leave the union. In fact most of the original states and some later states reserved the right to withdraw from the union in their constitutions - rights that were accepted by the federal government upon acknowledging their state constitutions and their acceptance into the union.

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That is kind of the goal of secession... those withdrawing what to leave the national government, they want self-rule and self-power...

You seem a bit too concerned with the power and size of the government and not with the will and desire of the people. The people are what is important, not the government of the status quo.

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But what if the higher power is wrong?

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If Vermont were to secede, it would actually compliment the Constitution of this Union.

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Mahalo for the clarification. I didn't want to make an assumption on your intention. I make so many typos, and don't even catch them even with this new edit feature! :)

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Apparently, the "reply to" button does not work in this forum. My last post was directed as a reply to Dr. Word's comment of:

"I don't beleive the state's should be divided! The name of our country "United" States of America symbolizes the unity of the states of America. United we stand, divivded we fall."

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The people are represented by both state regionally, and national government as a whole, don't we as a whole have more power than we have regionally.

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Its should be upto the people to revoke not the state. what happens if states are wrong?

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