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DrWord Member Since: Mar 20th, 2009 - Debate started 9 months ago

should abortion be legal?

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Should murder be legal?

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Hell no.

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DrWord 9 months ago

Response to countryplowboy
Hell no.

why not. could you be more specific

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Should murder be legal?

according to our doctors and scientist, its not murder!

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Should murder be legal?

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why not. could you be more specific

Why should it?

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Why should it?

i never said it should, i said could you be more specific, you said no but you didn't explain why... whats up with that

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i never said it should, i said could you be more specific, you said no but you didn't explain why... … Show full post

Because abortion is taking a human life before it has even begun. In ways it is crueler than murder, you are not even giving it a chance to live. Just killing it because it would be an inconvenience.

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Response to DrWord
according to our doctors and scientist, its not murder!

According to the same doctors and scientist who cannot specify when death occurs?

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

Yes it should be legal. Ive discussed this many times on this site. To some people life starts as soon as the sperm meets the egg. To others life starts when consciousness occurs. I fall into the latter catergory. If I go to the hospital and I sign a DNR or I have a living will that says if I lose the ability to function in a coma and I become a vegtable; pull the plug, that's neither considered murder or suicide. Same thing for abortion you are terminating something that is an extension of your body. Until it can viably live outside of the womb and sustain it's own life (with medical help) then it should not be considered to be a fully fledged human.

And before the insults and the harping starts I have 2 children of my own and yes it was an ongoing joke that they were "bodysnatchers" until I hit 25 weeks, after that they were babies.

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Yes it should be legal. Ive discussed this many times on this site. To some people life starts as so … Show full post

You said a termination of an extension of your body is not wrong.Does that mean siamese twins are right if they kill each other?

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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You said a termination of an extension of your body is not wrong.Does that mean siamese twins are ri … Show full post

Well if the one of the siamese twins kills the other the likelihood of the other surving is slim to none. Whereas if a woman has an abortion the likeihood of her survival is greater.

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Well if the one of the siamese twins kills the other the likelihood of the other surving is slim to … Show full post

that has nothin to do with whether its right or wrong.

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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that has nothin to do with whether its right or wrong.

Right or wrong is an individual choice when it comes to abortion. I don't think the gov't has any place to tell me what I do to my body is right or wrong. If I choose to damage it that's my problem, not theirs, or anyone else's.

In my above comment I should've also added that if a siamese twin kills the other half of them then that would be considered murder since the other half has shown that it is viable and able to sustain life.

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Conservative09 (Republican) - 9 months ago

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Right or wrong is an individual choice when it comes to abortion. I don't think the gov't has any pl … Show full post

You are damaging another person's body. It has a comepletely different genetic code, maybe a different blood type, and if it is a male, its sex organ didn't come from you, did it?

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Right or wrong is an individual choice when it comes to abortion. I don't think the gov't has any pl … Show full post

Conservative09 is right, your not just damaging your body, you damaging someelse.
And the government does have some control over what you do with your body, if you choose to jump off a bridge, should the government be expected to turn away? By being a citizen of a government you are giving the government some control over what you do, expecially concerning other individuals.

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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You are damaging another person's body. It has a comepletely different genetic code, maybe a differ … Show full post

If I'm making it inside my body then I control ownership of everything that's a part of it until it can sustain life without me. What anyone decides to do with their bodies is their personal choice. It is no one elses business until it becomes a shared public responsiblity ie. if I decide I want to get hooked on Meth and then go to jail on a possesion charge, that is shared public responsiblity because you are paying for my jail stay. I want to get an abortion that is $300 to $500 out of my pocket, not yours so therefore it's none of your business.

If people are so concerned with abortion and saying that it's murder, how about those people prepare their wombs, do a fetal transplant (not yet possible), carry the baby to term, then raise that child.

If I'm a bum living on the street and I get pregnant from prostituting myself for food and shelter, I have no right to bring a child into the world. Not only that I would definitly damage that child in utero because I have no proper healthcare, no shelter and no steady source of food. (Yes that is an extreme example). Women across america have their children taken away everyday and go to jail for neglect. Children are put in foster care every day and left there, sometimes in loving homes sometimes in abusive homes. Crack babies, babies with FAS and babies who are born with deginerative disablities are born everyday. Is that fair to those children? They didn't ask to be born. It was the parent(s) whose selfish and unconsiderate deeds put those children there. Those parents knew they shouldn't have had children so to me that means you take every measure possible from getting pregnant, even if that means sterilization. If something fails and that person has an abortion it's not up to anyone else to be judgmental of that.

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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Conservative09 is right, your not just damaging your body, you damaging someelse. And the governmen … Show full post

Yes if I jump off a bridge then the gov't should willfully turn away. If I choose to commit suicide then that's my right to take my own life, no one else's. This is what people seem to not understand. My body is my body. It's not up to anyone else to judge what I do with my body. And if the gov't was so able to control what we can do with our bodies then we'd have no privacy. The 9th and 10th amendments help with our right to privacy and roe v. wade secured our right to privacy with our bodies. If gov't could actually control it there would be no such thing as assisted suicide which is legal in Washinton State, Oregon, Montana, North Carolina, Utah, Wyoming, Ohio; nor would we have DNR's or living will's that give the ok to pull the plug if a person becomes a vegetable.

The sad thing is states have to make laws protecting the natural rights we have over our own bodies. What's next? Make tatoos illegal? Criminalize piercings? Tell adrinaline junkies they can't skydive because it's dangerous and they might die? Make us show ID to buy common household products that are lethal? We open up one can of worms and then havoc will ensue. Someone always wants to control something that someone else has. I'll say it again what I do with my body has no effect on anyone else, mind your business and life will be easier.

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DrWord 9 months ago

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If I'm making it inside my body then I control ownership of everything that's a part of it until it … Show full post

If your trying to say because the baby is inside your body, you have the right to kill it, does that mean if someone is inside any property of mine i have the right to kill such person? What's mine is mine, it doesn't mean i have the right to control everything that goes on inside when it affects another human being.
As for your example about the babies not having asked to be born. Well neither did babies born with a silver spoon but they are born, no baby asks to be born but they are born. And saying that because a baby should be killed becasue it has difficulties its like saying a person depressed or handicap should also have the right to kill themselves except the babies aren't the ones making such decisions.

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DrWord 9 months ago

Response to MrsPresident
Yes if I jump off a bridge then the gov't should willfully turn away. If I choose to commit suicide … Show full post

Okay!
Every government is controlled by a constitution; constitution meaning to limit, hence every government by virtue of a constitution don't just limit their power but they limit the rights we have especially if it affects another individual.That's why a person should and does not have the right to kill or assault another peron claiming, freedom of religion or right to privacy etc. There is such a things as too much freedom, if we have it will affect others negatively, and its the governments responsibility to limit everyone's freedom in relation to another person.

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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If your trying to say because the baby is inside your body, you have the right to kill it, does that … Show full post

Property rights are property rights. If someone is in your home and they did not get your permission to be there you have the right to shoot first and then ask questions later. The NRA has lobbyed that many of times.

I don't see a fetus as a human being until it is able to sustain it's own life without the host body. Until then it's pretty much a parasite, a leach if you will.

If a person who is depressed or handicapped wants to kill themselves then that is not my business. It's theirs. I cannot sit there and tell them they have to keep on living because I cannot effectively put myself in their shoes. I do not know what it's like to be handicapped.

It is the parents responsiblity to take care of and nuture that child when it comes out. If the parents do not want to do that then they have no right to have children until they are ready to do so. If a parent does not have the resources to take care of special needs child should they be forced to? No, especially if they knew the child was going to have problems in utero. If they want to take on that challenge then I say more power to them, however I do not think it's fair that if they cannot provide monetary support the bill rests on the taxpayers shoulders. They should stick to private funding and the majority of the time they don't.

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Property rights are property rights. If someone is in your home and they did not get your permission … Show full post

ADOPTION is a choice!
As for thr thing about a feotus not being human, the way i see it everyone has had to fight for their rights in this country- caucasians, african-americans and women, both unborn and unborn babies are next except they cannot do it for themselves they need people to do it for them and eventually someone will help them get their rights (to live especially!!!!!!!! someone will!!!!!

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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Okay! Every government is controlled by a constitution; constitution meaning to limit, hence every … Show full post

And I understand what you are saying. However the realization should come from both sides. While you may consider a zygote to be a human being. I do not, nor ever will. Well I should say until scientists find a way for that zygote to develop into a fetus and then into a child outside of a woman's womb I will not consider it a human being. A little past 20 weeks is when a fetus can sustain life on it's own while having a high survival rate.

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MrsPresident (Democratic) - 9 months ago

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ADOPTION is a choice! As for thr thing about a feotus not being human, the way i see it everyone ha … Show full post

Have you adopted any children? Have you rescued anyone from foster care? How many children are sitting in foster care right now because they weren't adopted? Millions. How many children are adopted each year? How many times do you go for a walk or to the park and see a white family with a chinese child? When that very same family could've adpoted within our own borders? People always have been and always will be selfish. They want what they want. Some people are truly altruistic, however those people are hard to come by. It's like the octomom. She said she wanted a huge family so instead of getting invitro to have 20/30 kids why didn't she just adopt? Hmmmm? Why did the Jolie-Pitt's have to go to cambodia and africa? They could've adopted a boy of cambodian descent and a black girl right here in America.

The point is adoption is a failed process, foster care is a failure and those are the options after the child is already here. How about we work on reforming sex education and birth-control so then issues of abortion and adoption would be better handled?

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DrWord 9 months ago

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Have you adopted any children? Have you rescued anyone from foster care? How many children are sitti … Show full post

That's just it, when people have intercourse there is a risk of getting pregnant, if a person feels its worth the risk then sure,if not back the hell up. but most people don't, because they know whether or not they get pregnant they have doctors who'll stick something up them and kill the precious thing that is growing within them.

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