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I am going to ask you a question, how old should the baby have to be before that abortion becomes a murder?

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That is outrageous, so babies should be able to be aborted up to birth? Why don't you go further and abort toddlers? How about children? Or people born by C-Section? Are they not human? Why don't we also legalize Partial Birth Abortion? It hasn't technically been born so let's kill it there to.

Do you stop to think about who it could be your aborting? You could abort the Greatest President in our history, the person who cures cancer, the next Thomas Edison. You do not think of the consequences. Better yet, you don't care. You do not understand the Value of life. Your parents didn't abort you, they chose to give you life. Would you not like that chance for every other human being? Including those who have not been born.

Our Founding Fathers did not limit the Right to Life to that first Generation of American, they extended it to generations, and this is important, UNBORN.

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It's outrageous that any woman should be required o die to produce a baby. I have noticed that most anti-abortion fans don't mind children dying from substandard heath care or inadequate food or even lck of prenatel care for a mother.

Do you stop and think how absurd it is to predict what you could be aborting? If not then conside that the odds of a Serial kiler emrging are far greater thena future POTUS, A criminal greater then a Great Scientist or inventor. Consiider the consequences of unwanted children. Your care and comncern ends at birth where mine begins. Your idealized view of life seems to end at birth Plow.

Our Founding fathers limited rights to white males and try hard not to forget that.

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Babies born of C-Section are at the mother request. No Dr. would ever dio one wotouit a woman's permission. Can't imagime how a toddler could be aborted because it is not in a Woman's womb.

Glad to see you support Universal Health care. My apoliges for thinking you opposed it.


No one knows what an aborted Fetus might have been unless it is known to suffer from horrible birth defects. You are aware that some Abortions are performed to keep the Fetus from becoming a child with a shiort painful existence? It is very clear that Birth has produced far more Serial killers then Presidents and the odds of producing an unwanted Scientific Genius are far less the ethe odds faced by the Revolutionaries.

Gee you aren't aware that most adoptions are in the hands of private agencies with supervision by public agencies to avoid really bad people from getting them? The odds of unwanted kids winding up in prison are far high then theodds of wanted Children

The US Constitution left millions of Americans as Slaves and ignored Women all together. Neither Women nor Minorities had any rights protected by the founders, Neither did they mention Abortion or Marriage

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[Quote]Not necessarily, should the mother and babies life be in mortal danger a docter may perform one to save both lives. Many of your position also believe that abortion should be allowed until the child "understands that there is a tommorrow".
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No, I fight Universal Healthcare (obamacare, commiecare, pick whichever you like) with every fiber of my being. The government should keep it s nose out of places where it doesn't belong. And how in sam-hell did you get support of universal healthcare out of what I said?
__________________________________________________________________________________________________- Sorry my ymistake I thought you supported life that had adaqiate prenatal, posst natal and even a healthy childhood.
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That was EXACTLY the point I was making. You have no clue what you are aborting. It might be a serial killer, or it might be the Future President. So why take the chance? What do you define as short painful? Define "Serial Killer".
______________________________________________________________________________________________Serial killer = one who kills multiple people. Any knopwledge of medicene would help youi understand that there are dideases that can afect a child at birt and lead top great pain and suffering in a short life time
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Ohh really? The Colonists numbered around 2,500,000 and during the revolution around 20% where Loyalists, so the Colonies had about 2,000,000 untrained people to draw on for soldiers. Great Britain on the other hand had around 16,000,000 citizens to draw upon and a trained army of over hundred thousand. Those odds aren't very good.
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Those 16 milllion were thousnds of mkiles awasy and transportation was slow. Th colonists were bleasssed with one of th best minds of the era in Franklin and an understanding of the Geography they fought in. Just lie Vietnamese were able to drive off the worlds greatest power in the late sixties and early seventies and Afghanistan did the same to the 2nd most powerful one a bit later. The odds weren't that bad and provided a role model for wars of National libreration ever since.
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My goal would be to privatize ALL of it. A private company which has to do a good job to keep afloat does a better job than a government agency which doesn't care as it gets payed no matter what. You don't get it do you? How do you know that?
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First, many of the Founding Fathers would have liked to end the practice at the founding of our nation. However, the great majority of the South's economy was based on slave labor. And the founding fathers knew that should the Constitution outlaw it they would never get all Thirteen of the Colonies to join the United States of America. Hence why the three/fifths compromise was called a COMPROMISE. Again, restrictions on Womens Rights were placed by the States. And there weren't "minorities" back then. If you were a Citizen you were an AMERICAN. Not Asian American or Irish American or African American just American.
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WEll I can agree that the founders decided to let slavey exist hoping a future genration of Americans would get rid of it however you are wrong about no minorities existing in 1789 in the USA. There were a great # AFRICAN AMERICANS BOTH SLAVE AND FREE NOT TO MENTION THE ORIGINAL AMERICANS and yo are very naive if you believe that any new group os immagrents weren't treated to discrimination upon arrival. As for women John Adams wife lobbied hard to have them enjoy the benefits that white men got in the Constitution
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This is a sign of the times, the Founding Fathers did not predict people actually wanting to kill unborn, defenseless babies.[/Quote]

Abortions hav existed as far back in time as anyone can look

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How can a medical procedure be one of the safest when it's a guaranteed death sentence? Jeffrey Daumer was shown more mercy.

If what's called safe care is justified by the murder of a helpless person then socialized medicine is justified by mandatory euthanesia whether grandpa's ready to die or not.

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Your "helpless person" is an lbject growing within a Doctors Patient. Your view is held \by some religious faiths but not all

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Abortion is of course a really tough issue. On the one hand you have potential, and on the other you have a mother (and father) who are unwilling to accept responsibilty. Any baby that is born has the potential to change the world, but for every genius that is born there are a thousand heroin addicts. Abortion should be a social taboo, and pro-life people should harp on every single person who makes the selfish decision to snuff out a potentially succesful human being.
However, abortion has it's benefits. According to several controversial studies, abortion reduces crime rates. Most crimes are committed by people between the ages of 18 and 24. Abortion was legalized across the nation in 1973, and a significant drop in crime rates occured in the mid 90's. The thinking is that children who are wanted and born into secure homes are less likely to commit crimes. It's really easy to say talk about exceptions to trends and how any one of those abortees could have been president, but what if one of those abortees younger siblings were destined to be president but never got the chance because their mother couldn't feed them because she had to drop out of high school?
I know pro-lifers aren't going to like hearing this, but high estimates for abortions per year is 1,500,000. A HUGE number. But the amount of children who die from starvation world wide is 15,000,000. If life is precious whether it has been born or not, shouldn't life be precious whether it lives in this country or not? The decision of abortion should not be taken lightly, but it should remain a decision. Because someone who chooses to be a parent is much more likely to be a good one.

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A great example of the limited interest in life that many anti-abortioinsts take.

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a cancerous tumor

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What grows in a woman is a Fetus unable to existt without her. Hardly an independent person. I am aware that groups exisrt that believe a fetus is an independent life just as am aware that others don't agree. I believe that the best person to decide what happens in a woman's body is that woman.

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"I believe that the best person to decide what happens in a woman's body is that woman."

This is a weak argument, and a false belief. Human beings only have independent control of a fraction of the metabolic and biological functions of our body. Our bodies are pretty much autonomous of the whims and second-guessing of our overclocked monkey brains.

Likewise, pregnancy is a completely natural and autonomous activity her body is designed to perform. The point where she has control is the injection of a male's genetic material. and possibly preventing the implanation of a fertilized egg (ie blastocyst) on her vaginal wall. Once the implantation occurs, her body is on cruise control. I suppose she can try to starve the child to her own detriment, or some other manner of mistreatment of the developing baby, but her body will do what it can to keep the child safe until it is forced to self-abort or the mother dies.

Meanwhile as per your 'independence' remark. By that logic none of us are human until possibly 3 years of age, and stop being human when we grow too weak and senile to care for ourselves and must be cared for by others.

As for location inside the mother or outside, what is the difference between a baby born one month prematurely and another baby that grew to term in the mother's womb? I think the current record for successful premature birth is five months. Do you contend that only children who mak it out of their mother's womb alive and intact are human?

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LOL It's not an autonomous activity of it's mother. Dead mother + dead fetus. If the baby pops at 5 months it's independent.
3 YO can breath on their own and anyone can feed them, Fetus can't exis outside it womb. You appear to see women as baby makers I see them as human being respnsible for thei own bodies.

So do you approve of the morning after pill that prevents a sperm from entering an egg?

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