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Of course he does - I am tired of all these selfish women out there - if they don't want their baby, they kill it - and they don't ask the dad - they just go ahead and kill the baby - "It is the ultimate poverty that a child must die so that you may live as you wish" - Mother Theresa - and wiser words were never spoken.

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by aborted, you mean killed - what ever happened to adoption?

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To use trends as an excuse for denying a father the choice to not murder his child is really lame.
Trends are only statistics to show what people want seen. And trends in your area aren't reality for other places. There are plenty of white and spanish babies who don't get adopted. ANd there are a lot of black children who are adopted.

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When a woman doesn't have the choice to spread her legs, it's called rape.
The unborn child is every bit as much the father's as the mother's. Why should he have to do everything 100% on his own, as you decree?
Girls and women will continue to run around with babies they're not prepared to have as long pregnancy, babies and unmarried sex are glamorized.

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It doesn't work into it at all when the value of life is reduced to zero.

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Marriage is the best environment for a child, with a mother and a father in a committed relationship.
HS girls want babies until they find out what it's like to have to take care of them all the time. HS girls and boys have their hormones in high gear and think sex is glamorous, just like the movies they watch.
But none of this has anything to do with fathers having a say in their babies not being aborted.

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How do you know marriage is the best environment for a child?

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Marriage is not always the best environment for a child, two people committed to loving one another and raising that child into adulthood is the best environment. The second best is a responsible adult who is committed to the child in all aspects of life.

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The fact of the matter is men do not give birth. The mother is the one that is 100% responsible for giving birth to the child. Our society assigns responsibility to the father when it comes to the upbringing and care of the child once it is born. I know I do not need to quote statistics to show how often that responsibility is ignored. The question was not should abortion be legal. The question is should a father have equal say regarding the decision to abort. When men start carrying babies in the womb, men get to have equal input. Until then it is a womans decision. Period.

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You didn t see the pregnant dude? : )
A mother has sole responsibility for an unborn child only when the father is a male who doesn't know, or doesn't care, that life extends beyond himself, and he lacks the fortitude to be a man beyond gender. A man equipped with as much upstairs as downstairs won't need suggestion of responsibility. It strikes me that our narcissistic society, with a focus on devaluing moral standards in exchange for how something feels, does much to distract a man from what he would naturally do: ensure the life of his line.

The burden of pregnancy makes it easy to see a mother's responsibility to an unborn child. It's a bit more challenging to think outside the box, so to speak, to comprehend a father's role in his offspring's life. I fail to see how pregnancy trumps paternity as the measure to determine who gets a say in life and death.

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What's done with the child now, when the father walks out on a young child?
The father often contributes financially to the child's support until he's 18.

The person most affected in any abortion is the unborn child. But, this isn't about abortion, just who has a say in an abortion. I'd say give the baby the choice rather than either parent, as the parents already made theirs.

The question of who has a say in abortion is really inappropriate as the question of when life begins, and when life ends, is not medically distinguished. The reality of that is lost in the social, emotional Politically Correct debate. Our society is largely inured to the plight of an unborn human in favor of emotional and financial convenience.

It is politicking that obfuscates the value of the life of an unborn baby, regardless of what question about it is posed. Ours is an increasingly narcissistic society, with a focus on how we feel about things, and immature decisions based from personal experience. The decision to procreate is usually mutual. The birthing process is biological. There will probably always be young (and older) women pregnant before they've gained the emotional maturity to mother and young (and older) men adept in the act of procreation but lack the manhood to, well, be a real man.

IMHO, many questions surrounding abortion are inappropriately in the political arena, and those questions become moot when the topic returns to: Is abortion the premeditated taking of human life? If so, address that. If there's a medical presentation, politics has no business there, either. But, I am not one to embrace Political Correctness, which is what abortion is. Abortion is the politicization of human life.

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There is another semantic involved here. I know this means the consideration (vote) of the child is being forgotten here. If you give the father 'equal' consideration, you are in fact making him the deciding authority. I mean if he votes to have the child, the mothers wishes are moot. If he defers to abortion, you then are asking the mother simply if she concurs or not. I mean he doesn't have to give birth. If he says abort, he puts the whole thing on the mother. If he says to keep the child, she still is the one that has to go through the whole process, not him. There is also the legal aspect. A lawyer could argue, if the law stated equal consideration, that a father voting to abort the child is then free of financial obligation should the mother choose to keep the child.

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