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Can We Trash Israel On This Site Or Will The Moderators Get All Paranoid About The ADL And Delete Them?

Can We Trash Israel On This Site Or Will The Moderators Get All Paranoid About The ADL And Delete Th...

 

guitar102 (Democratic) - Member Since: Aug 8th, 2009 - Debate started 8 months ago

I'm only asking because I've seen this happen on so many other opinions sites! You say something that hits really close to home and some Israel firster threatens to call the ADL against the site (they can have them shut down!) & the moderators say - you can express any opinion you want but just not about Israel. This happens a lot more than some people may want to believe!

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wayway2tall 8 months ago

Well Israellis see it as they're people endured the pyramids, living in the middle east for 3000 years, the holocaust, and woody allen why should they have to explain themselves to you. And that's a very difficult point to argue. But ever since the Israellis developed nuclear weapons they've thought they were the big swinging d***s of the middle east (which I think is ironic) They need to chill out. But at this point the palestinians are giving them every excuse to say that they're fighting for their lives.

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justsimpleinfo (Independent) - 8 months ago

nothing wrong with trashing israel, in my opinion... I have nothing bad to say about them. I guess I am wondering if its your opinion why anybody would take it seriously unless your opinion included something directing other people to harm israel.


we may not like how anyone or business or country is operating, but we all live here.... at some point we will all need to work out our differences... agree to disagree and move forward

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AM365 (Independent) - 7 months ago

Why do you feel the need to trash Israel?

Let's take a look at some of their accomplishments.

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year.


Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.


Israel, the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to the following:


The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development center in Israel.


Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.


The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.


Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.


The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely made in Israel.


Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.


Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.


The technology for the AOL Instant MessengerICQ was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.


Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U. S, Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft, Israel's air force has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.


Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate neighbors combined.


Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home computers per capita.


According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now look (finally) to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne security threats.


Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.


Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.


In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).


With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world -- apart from the Silicon Valley, U. S.


Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the U. S.


Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ ! listed companies.


Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East.


The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.


On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech startups.


Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.


Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.


In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.


When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.


When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved three victims from the rubble.


Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the world.


Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity. (Hundreds of thousands from the former Soviet Union)


Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as "conflict free."


Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.


Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered mainly desert.


Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.


Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.


An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.


Israel's Givun Imaging developed the first ingestible videocamera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders.


Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the camera helps doctors diagnose heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.


Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places first in this category as well.


A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the Clear Light device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.


An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.


All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own protection than any other county on earth.


Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population in the world.


THE STATE OF ISRAEL .. . Continues to EXCEL !


AND THE FRENCH AMBASSADOR IN ENGLAND SAYS
"ISRAEL IS NOTHING BUT A SHITTY LITTLE COUNTRY"

http://www.e-bski.org/Israel/israel-accomplishments.htm

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Response to AM365
Why do you feel the need to trash Israel? Let's take a look at some of their accomplishments. … Show full post

I was just about to point a few of these out but dang looks like you covered a lot about Israel... the French are annoying... why not start a French bashing post I think you will get more support there.. and I have French blood I will even join the bashing. Hard to listen to anything the French have to complain about...

one Frenchman said "the US cant fight a war without the world helping them" What is funny is they must not get a lesson on the World Wars in history because we saved their butts and the world from speaking German, and of all the troups used to fight in Iraq or Afganstan more than 90% I would lean around 95% are Americans with maybe 10-20K troups from other countries doing aid and support. I would love to see them have to fight a war all alone after their willingness to help us out in time of need... last one I remember of was the Vietnam war the french started but could not finish and needed our help to fight.

http://www.plp.org/vietnam/vn2.html

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Political 1 month ago

Accomplishments of the Israelis aren't enough to make up for the negative actions of the Israeli government. I don't think that the ADL should limit free speech if a persons says something bad about Israel. Israelis didn't have to endure the holocaust. Israel was established after the holocaust and holocaust survivors who moved there didn't live their before the holocaust. Israelis didn't live there for 3000 years either. Israel wasn't a country before 1948 and when it there was the Kingdom of Israel it was Israelites who were a different people. I have nothing against Israelis but moderators shouldn't prohibit criticism of the Israeli government. Its a sad day when an American can badmouth the American government but not the Israeli government.

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guitar102 (Democratic) - 2 weeks ago

Response to wayway2tall
Well Israellis see it as they're people endured the pyramids, living in the middle east for 3000 yea … Show full post

Wayway2tall, I'm going to go out on the limb and ASSUME you know how to read! I was asking a question not stating an opinion and I included the reasons for my question! Before your Pavlovic seizure to fulminate the history of the Jews etc. you should have stopped and reread what I wrote which is 'Is it OK to criticize Israel on this site because other sites would not even allow discussions of this for fear that someone would kneejerk 'antisemitism' to the ADL after which the ADL would rain hell down upon the site owners if not have the site shut down completely. At many opinion sites the moderators have expressed genuine anxiety about this happening.

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guitar102 (Democratic) - 2 weeks ago

Response to justsimpleinfo
nothing wrong with trashing israel, in my opinion... I have nothing bad to say about them. I guess … Show full post

It's just that certain sites don't what the ADL brought down upon their heads for 'promoting antisemitism' when the members were merely criticizing Israel. And the ADL does consider the criticism of Israel to be antisemitism, hate speech, etc. Do they care about the 1st amendment? Of course not!

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guitar102 (Democratic) - 2 weeks ago

Response to AM365
Why do you feel the need to trash Israel? Let's take a look at some of their accomplishments. … Show full post

Actually your post, although well researched, has nothing to do with my original post which was not a criticism of Israel (that I will get to later) but a question to the members here whether or not it was OK to criticize Israel as far too many opinion sites are too afraid to even have the issue brought up! They are afraid of someone complaining about the criticism to the Anti Defamation League who does regard criticisms of Israel to be hate speech and antisemitism.

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ksioal 4 days ago

Beautiful "Xinhua Gate" scandal
I am an ordinary Internet users, I want my internet experience to reflect. I only, and Xinhua Xinhua on forums, sometimes Gentie to make one comment, but this experience has brought me is a three-year disaster. Xinhuanet bamboo version of the forum, there are
Computer hackers, long-term invasion of my computer, causing me a lot of losses, the use of QQ numbers join chat with my daughter's college students established contacts and keeping and feeding, the original hacker who we do not know when that girl had made for my daughter a lot of rumors of personal attacks, and have the background to show off to have a skill, and we know that this is the forum Banjul Xinhua.
The powerful people through the back door so that girls receive shelter, my daughter for three years by the isolation, and in academic achievement, we are also aware of the report served only in schools and girls in front of us in a weak background, but resignation submit to humiliation.
In addition, I have encountered the work of a computer monitor, I realized that there is no way these unlawful acts. I first discovered the work of seven months, data loss, followed by the business all the way down, the company reduced its staff by three quarters, I also will be laid off.
It was an information technology company, is a software outsourcing to Japan and design drawings, all products are sent through the network in Japan, the results of the company found that information disclosure, among the only in-house technical staff to sign confidentiality agreements. I was just general management staff, non-technical, Xin-ming has furnished no evidence, can not afford the responsibility Buganshengzhang. That is a big economic benefits, estimated that at least 40 million.
I have spare time to work part-time online reporting passwords by their modified, I formally work in charge of local government websites are required to fill out a declaration form for the first time landing the next day after taking approval, the network services are shared numbness of the limbs, I realized that reason is on where the landing site for the first time that I must have a share of paralysis Caixing. They upset my computer IE will be black, sometimes black my home district servers. My home computers have been made to do long-systems, some part-time job to lose.
Xinhua Banjul use is a national network platform, very forces it? Our family computer does not have thick, our family of telephone communications is not dense, and later found that our private chat room at home did not dense, we have a private chat at home can be interspersed in the network some of the articles, poems were. And I contacted the phone, can within a few days or a relative's name, or names, the article can be a network or domain names to see, my mother in the off-site fixed-line telephone several times in the telecommunications server fault interruption, until the my mother's death the week before, phone was black, I have contact with the family being the final cut.
And they also recognize the wealth from the cat and mouse confrontation between the shore, but the petition is of no use. In my own computer to write things that you can communicate with them, they would online articles or pictures a very timely response to my content. They say hunting is now the Magnolia paddock, I want fair and necessary to protect a fair capacity, I'd be offended VIP Wai rape. At present my daughter to college, I lost my job ten months, and I do not know how long it can hold. We are a single parent family, his daughter by my independent support, they made an old woman picking up pictures, said that while it had been brilliant, but this is a result,
Suggested my future destiny.
My daughter is to be completed the end of class-based operations, the result is black redo the computer system every day. During this period, that of girls and online echoed intimidate us, disappearances, life insurance, etc., online postings made firearms. A recent threat to our personal action, I took my 80-year-old father and 2-year-old daughter back home to do the anniversary of his death, his mother, had been tracking, is the marshals to take us off by taxi, we see that two Beijing license, vehicle and sped away. Recently there have been models of luxury sedans and cars (not commensurate with the strength and the environment) stopped at my house downstairs, and this is echoed in online threats.
Online crime is a high-tech crimes, because the burden of proof is difficult, so we have no way to report, and now feel that life is threatened, we have to do so. Posted on the Internet, I appeal to cry, saying that cat and mouse confrontation hope Premier Wen's attention, but they hold the public resources, I would have been deleted in the posting (and letters to my ID). They want my daughter can not graduate from college, let me live no way out of unemployment, tell me letters and visits in Beijing that no one tube, was imprisoned in the concentration of petitioners accepted the guest house of a woman being raped, and the petition will eventually drop into their hands,
And they have now been protected. I would say that they are two-faced, online maltreatment and corruption, and that the most dirty salt.
I wish to reflect the situation can get attention, to reflect to the central. Xinhua is China's largest official website of the Chinese government's image, how can we equip them with the public resources to do whatever they want, Xinhua can not be a criminal offense platform. My computer has been put to tell them that as long as his daughter, and we leave it alone, but they have never correct their mistakes.
My response to female students: yes, Shenyang Polytechnic University, College of Automotive Engineering 2006 total of four girls: in pairs, hoping for a breakthrough from her to this crime, corruption, opened the lid.
University is to cultivate talent for the community transportation local talent, rather than a place for brothels to send personnel, university teachers, especially the grassroots leaders should serve as role models. If teachers do not respect the old, for students of physical persecution, and even affect students approach graduation blocking a person's future, I think that schools must investigate, but also students in a fair, notary, justice and human dignity.
In pairs of their own on the outside with the community's character is not indecent, and has now developed into a small group. Their own life is not indecent gave my daughter made a lot of personal attacks, rumors to libel, in the bedroom, led the students to isolate, group vomit, etc., but my daughter's own bedroom and in the other faculties of the students to make friends must recover the past, rumors and then my daughter there would be no friend. Automotive School guide to do these things have been secretary Wang Liqing does not deal with, and has become one of their umbrella participants are also from a personality slander my daughter said, are mentally ill.
To November 2007 in pairs to my daughter bites Wang Liqing did not address, saying that if any treatment must not be simultaneously both graduated, she was not right and wrong is a non-concept, but at the same time to both sides to solve the problem be transferred out of the bedroom . As students and parents at a disadvantage in the strong guide our leaders to do before the conciliatory attitude of the spirit of tolerance, because we do not want to cut off future to graduate. Even so, a month later I was working Secretary Wang called me, saying I took the daughter, because she had a mental illness (the most toxic to human persecution of a move source is the case, we prove that the history of two of the largest limbs),
Said she shared the bedroom of the student testified, saying she was mentally ill. Another accused me of education of parents as there is a problem called her to get up every day affected the students Tongqin rest. I asked her, Shenyang Polytechnic requiring students to get up? She answered 6:00. I said, reversing his way to work every day 8:10 to call, let her review the end of a good test results are wrong? Schools with poor management and supervision of her parents I was learning, but every time she said students sleep, I rise! I asked his daughter: Shenyang Institute of Technology is a young nursing home do? Secretary Wang then said: Everyone can testify as early as you play. I said that school education must first be honest student
, If so many children are lying, then that is your education in schools is a problem, I can play to telecommunications call records to prove that they lie, you can handle them do? I told Secretary Wang hiding behind the skirt is very complex and, in addition to the unusual color in addition to high-tech crimes involving corruption, and participants are asked her to do, but she would not listen. She again my turn to be picked up the child, if a problem at school she was irresponsible. But also said: in the future would affect his daughter graduate, graduate schools have a comprehensive assessment (implying that she can so that we do not graduate). I asked her: Are you on getting a graduate blackmail me? Call to an end.
Explain, adjusting sleep is a newly enrolled freshman dormitory, was elected student union cadres, there is no built-in lock her bedroom at their own expense to install and accessible to all students are equipped with the keys inside the bedroom of their new life with the same grade classmates gathering to bring my daughter, and of which the boys of the masters on this sophomore, said: thanks to your girls in our class students will be able to enter. So there would be testimony to happen, right? Last guide do eat their words, because it was Huyou freshmen impossible.
The end of the sophomore, guided to do again told to move back to the original sleep, because sleep is their own initiative that does not transfer through schools, we must come back, so both sides come back.
Came back still facing an isolated situation, many of the notifications and information not received, we did not dare to meet with her contact, and sometimes alone to see her, daring to fight and just be a call, many people would not see her, if she take the initiative to say hello does not reflect the other side. Even so, Secretary Wang accused of my daughter always wrong with my phone, I do not know whether the schools have provided parents and children to call a breach of school regulations? If a student in the school isolated situation, should call their spare time with his mother and all powers not? Secretary Wang did not know whether the accused had that day was no one in the bedroom, to burn (Bustard) Tel porridge of people?
Communication between parents and children the most natural human communication, instincts confirmed. If the two sides does not do well there will be a generation gap generated as friends if the two sides can communicate well, that I was a successful parent. If there is no smooth communication, in the like under the influence of powerful external forces, perhaps my daughter will be forced to become "Bataihutong" members, Mao Zedong in China, beginning the liberation of overnight abolished brothels, prostitutes now can continue to college campuses, and proud to show off, this is the failure of university education! A person's growth is the family, school and the community the results of multiple integrated education, school

The end of last year, eight school I came to school, is willing to test scores because of a thing. (Mechanical design basis A2) end of the period had been achieved, we are looking for long-distance calls with a class teacher said: there is a student cadre to prove her daughter did not take the test. We went to school attendance Registry check the exam proved that student leaders lie, and now the matter has not handled lying student cadre, I would like a substitute teacher is not wrong very responsible investigation, then the student union cadres Why so bold? Students should be organized to lead students to positive and progressive groups, I think we should play "in unification" role.
In fact, performance is something we have long been felt. Was originally the computer results, it was tampered with in the system to guide subsequent search points to do when the change over. The development of what later became Secretary Wang warned that, we always have questions about performance. Students in front of the school system is weak, a problem to make an application waiting to answer all of lack of transparency, because their own do not see the papers, but two months later to be destroyed. Where (Mao Zedong Thought, Deng Xiaoping Theory and "Three Represents"), examinations, self feel good, but the results did not pass down, they had rebuilt.
Time of registration to see the instructor, said: how you have managed to get quite good restoration? Their own side once again we also have to check points, the results of this paper have been destroyed finished.
There are the basis of control engineering, mechanical design basis A1. I still have questions about these courses, with more ways to block me, I graduated from the fight against al service. At present students have been looking for work but I can not candidates, because there is no diploma find jobs?
Prostitutes in the bedroom, said openly that money on the bottom beneath them is to expect to make a little money. You make money or not I do not care, it was not that I can control, and now Chinese social atmosphere this way, the whole country a spring. But why do you not for the good and decent girl insisted forced prostitution? Not from the implementation of large encirclement, and this siege is one of the college participants are guided to do. I. Members of the meeting that they have to protect the reputation of the Shenyang Institute of Technology, I think the reputation and brand is created out of, rather than cover their out, and guide the leadership to do that is to enact a license to become a prostitute and also imitation, that imitation brand-li against unemployment do ?
Now that women took part in the PubMed, in the review period has been showing off her siemens. I think that the bad guys learn the more the greater the harm to society,
This problem I been from 2009 to August 26 the State Department began to reflect the Prevention of Corruption Bureau and the Central Discipline Inspection Commission of this without result.
It bluntly, this is a "Xinhua Gate" scandal, with ghosting, which is central scandal, my postings have been blocked, and only here a message came. My network sealed.

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