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Death of Israel--Israel's Own Fault!

From News: THE DEATH OF ISRAEL

Death of Israel--Israel's Own Fault!

 

pasanta (Democratic) - Member Since: Mar 10th, 2009 - Debate started 11 months ago

If the assertion in the article is true, that the President do endorse the views addressed, than he is right on! lsarel need to stop war mongering with Iran, stop instigating war and assumption of being wiped out from the earth by Iran! If that will happen, never, as Israel possesses strong military capacity to fight back(HELLOOO, IS ANYONE HEARING ME, remember their attacks on their neighbors, WBG and Lebanon), more any attack, would be because Israel provoked it.

Preemptive attack on Iran by Israel, is not the answer! For one, any attack would not land idle, Iran will react too! No more war Israel, we want peace and peace should be mongered not war!

Israel need to stop oppressing the Palestinians-Arabs and Iran will not war with them. Israel just killed hundreds of Palestinians and collapsed a good portion of what maybe their economy, in so called retaliation from pinprick attack from extremist faction of the Hamas group. The wounds are freshed, the issues are unresolved and here they ARE again, instigating another war...crying wolf...?

If the President said it or someone in his cabinet said it, he/or they are right! More to those who are making threat against the President because of this position, they should know that, these threat will not touch him because he is protected by God.

Again, the solution to Israel's quest for sustainable war and for continue US miliatry aid and financial support for them, is finding alternative forms of sustainable revenue for their upkeep. Anything for peace and not war!!!

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DarylWashington (Republican) - 11 months ago

You are perpetrating the idea of WW3. If Iran decides to attack Israel it would create a spiraling effect. America would have no choice but to back Israel. Syria would get into play and then Britain. It would have everyone going back and forth. The difference would be Asia, Russia. They would actually probably stay neutral. It would be a great power play with them. See Russia has ties with Iran, and America, so if Russia intervenes, we know we are looking at Global Warfare. Israel right now have enough capability to attack Iran herself. However she can not do it with the combat. It would have to be with missiles. Iran revolutionary guards would put a very tight squeeze on Israeli troops. Israel would need our help when it comes to true combat. Now the problem comes with this. Man. We take everything that is God given and destroy it. We kill for water, food, property. We conquer the weak. I can not understand why Palestine has not been named a state yet. Why can't they just name where they are a state and get the funds. Who decides what is a state anyway? Why do they have that right to determine that? This is where no boundaries comes in. Where man can freely travel anywhere in the world that he wants to unabated.

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guitar102 (Democratic) - 8 months ago

GOOD! The sooner the better! We'll have some peace in the Middle East for a change - and no more US welfare for Israel! There was peace a thousand years before Israel was resurrected!

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way2convey (Independent) - 8 months ago

I believe it is Iran that has strongly voiced it's desire to see Israel, the Jews, annihilated, not the other way around. In fact, terrorists, including our greatest enemies, echo their desire to destroy Israel. Israel is a tiny spec of a country. They generally try and live peacefully and have given land to Palestine only to have the suicide bombers continue blowing up civilians inside Israel. When they defend themselves they are the bully. When they try and engage peaceful negotiations, the terrorists disrupt the effort and when Israel is forced to respond they are the bad guys.
The problem is not Israel. The problem is fanatical Islam and the terrorists it produces. Don't kid yourself, Israel could go away tomorrow, but there will be no “peace” until the extreme Islamist nut bags coming out of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria and other garden spots in the Middle East are stopped.

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pasanta (Democratic) - 8 months ago

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I believe it is Iran that has strongly voiced it's desire to see Israel, the Jews, annihilated, not … Show full post

This is where we totally disagree, "until the extreme Islamist nut bags coming out of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria and other garden spots in the Middle East are stopped." Why? The unanswered question of the continue engineering of extremism and the lack of efforts to address the real issue here is the sustaining factor in the conflict. The extremism is not the originater of the conflict, injustice is.

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pasanta (Democratic) - 8 months ago

Response to guitar102
GOOD! The sooner the better! We'll have some peace in the Middle East for a change - and no more US … Show full post

I must say, the President seems to be playing his cards well regards to the issue, though cautiously. I personally, would endorse a scaling back of US military support to Israel, it would make a big difference going forward with peace talks. But with iron grid Israeli interest groups plastered robustly in the halls and corridors of the powers that be that would be like pulling a tooth. But in God we shall overcome.

Always the optimist, Peace in the middle east!

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pasanta (Democratic) - 8 months ago

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You are perpetrating the idea of WW3. If Iran decides to attack Israel it would create a spiraling e … Show full post

DarylW, you seem to be living in the age of Republican machoism of let the nation arms for war in response to any opposition. Your comments was 3 months ago, but am sure your views must I have changed with the direction President Obama is taking on the Israel/Palestine matter. Like you rightfully put, "Israel right now have enough capability to attack Iran herself." thanks to US financial support. So tell me who stands to lose in any events of war?

In fact, the US have all the choices in the world to not back Israel in its quest to war monger on the pretense to preemptively attack Iran. Again, am sure you are following the President 's foreign polices as pertain to the issue, at least.

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AM365 (Independent) - 7 months ago

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DarylW, you seem to be living in the age of Republican machoism of let the nation arms for war in re … Show full post

Wow pasanta. You never cease to amaze me with your lunacy.

Israel tries to be peaceful but Hamas ruled Palestine won't have anything to do with it. If Hamas wasn't trying to kill Jews at every turn, then Israel would not have a problem with have Palestine as a next door neighbor.

Did you know that Palestinians use a twisted version of Mickey Mouse to teach kids how to be martyrs and be terrorists?

Have you ever read the Hamas Charter and what the ultimate goal of Islam is?

Read and learn pasanta...


Hamas Principles

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.


"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "


"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."


The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.


The "Zionists" and the freemasons and others are blamed for what Hamas and radical Islamists see as the major calamities of the world, especially the French Revolution.


One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith:


Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:


"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).


The implication is clear: Allah promised that the Jews will be murdered, and the Hamas "aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take."

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

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Neutral 3 months ago

Please don't get me wrong, I am no friend of Hamas.

However, I do believe the group has been villified to the point that it is no longer constructive (as in it leaves room for no other option save military options). The Middle East can be polarizing in general, and Hamas is about as polarizing a force as you can find inside that highly charged environment. I have always found highly polarized subjects to be curious at best, and have found, without exception, that a closer look often reveals that both sides have a lot of things right about themselves and wrong about the other side.

Hamas is no exception.

The Hamas Charter itself is often fought over, from everything from the correct translation to meaning to the intent of the document itself. For example, AM's quote, "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it," can also be found in other sources as, " Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors." Again, a slightly different translation, but there is a world of difference between trying to obliterate a country and eliminate the domination of a foreign power. By way of strengthening the latter arguement, the Hamas Charter lists its goals as, " discarding the evil, crushing it and defeating it, so that truth may prevail, homelands revert [to their owners], calls for prayer be heard from their mosques, announcing the reinstitution of the Muslim state."

There is certainly room for debate, and the Hamas Charter is by no means clear or exacting in its definitions. I believe the charter is deliberately vauge in order to allow Hamas some leeway as opportunities open up. I am quite certain that there are members of Hamas that would take an opportunity to attack Israel and inflict mortal damage upon the country. There are also Hamas members who would be satisfied to see a Palestinian homeland around roughly the 1967 borders, with an Islamic (i.e. Hamas) government.

There is also simple political-military realities that effect the situation and which neither Israel nor Hamas are particularly unaware of. Israel is quite obviously much more powerful than Hamas, and given the results of the previous Intifada's, quite capable of preventing the guerilla style attacks on Israel that are favored by Hamas and similar organizations. The reverse is equally true however, as Israel has been unable to soundly defeat Hamas despite literally decades of attempts to do so. The recent war in Gaza best exemplifies this problem. Israel's military easily pushed into Gaza, stopping just short of the larger cities. When they left, Hamas remained in control and the funding and supplies continued to flow to them. Israel will have a very tough time defeating Hamas, and Hamas has no chance of defeating Israel.

That should lead us to consider other options regarding Hamas specifically and Palestine in general. It should be noted that the PLO once engaged in exactly the same type of attacks as Hamas and they are now cooperating with Israel on security issue and are considered a stable enough partner to negotiate with for a final settlement. Whether we like it or not, Hamas is part of that equation and the amount of force required to remove them would be considerable.

Can Hamas be brought into a political process? Are there moderate members interested in becoming a legitimate opposition/Islamic party within a Palestinian state? Can the political aspects of Hamas be cleaved from its military or terrorist operations?

I would never be so naive as to state that a successful solution to the Hamas problem will not require force, only that a solution will require options other than force to achieve success. If you box yourself into a rhetorical corner from the beginning, you may find it very difficult to consider, much less impliment, other solutions as opportunities come along.

Be mindful that both parties to that conflict are to some extent tied to foreign sources and that the mutual demonization is the equivalent of our politician's pandering to their partied base. Look beyond the mutual acrimony and you'll find two sides who each have valid complaints about the other side. The trick is solving the legitimate grievences rather than attacking, quite literally, the wrong problem.

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Political 1 month ago

Israel might be better off if they didn't attack Iran if you look at how things could spiral out of control. In his farewell address George Washington warned us to stay out of entangling alliances and since there isn't any military treaty between the USA and Israel the United States wouldn't have to intervene. If I were president and Israel bombed Iran and Iran declared war on Israel I would tell Israel that the world would probably hate the US even more and they were the ones who attacked Iran. On CNN they interviewed someone who had played out war games between Iran and Israel and everyone essentially loses because of economic collapse, rising oil prices, ect... If they did start a war then it would be their own fault if they lost the war.

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Patriot Watch (Independent) - 1 week ago

Pasanta there is zero truth or credibility to your arguement.

Have you missed something or is your goal to mislead?
lsarel need to stop war mongering with Iran

Who attacked who?
remember their attacks on their neighbors, WBG and Lebanon

Everytime we meddle in Israel affairs something bad happens: ie: Andrew, Katrina

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ksioal 5 days ago

Beautiful "Xinhua Gate" scandal
I am an ordinary Internet users, I want my internet experience to reflect. I only, and Xinhua Xinhua on forums, sometimes Gentie to make one comment, but this experience has brought me is a three-year disaster. Xinhuanet bamboo version of the forum, there are
Computer hackers, long-term invasion of my computer, causing me a lot of losses, the use of QQ numbers join chat with my daughter's college students established contacts and keeping and feeding, the original hacker who we do not know when that girl had made for my daughter a lot of rumors of personal attacks, and have the background to show off to have a skill, and we know that this is the forum Banjul Xinhua.
The powerful people through the back door so that girls receive shelter, my daughter for three years by the isolation, and in academic achievement, we are also aware of the report served only in schools and girls in front of us in a weak background, but resignation submit to humiliation.
In addition, I have encountered the work of a computer monitor, I realized that there is no way these unlawful acts. I first discovered the work of seven months, data loss, followed by the business all the way down, the company reduced its staff by three quarters, I also will be laid off.
It was an information technology company, is a software outsourcing to Japan and design drawings, all products are sent through the network in Japan, the results of the company found that information disclosure, among the only in-house technical staff to sign confidentiality agreements. I was just general management staff, non-technical, Xin-ming has furnished no evidence, can not afford the responsibility Buganshengzhang. That is a big economic benefits, estimated that at least 40 million.
I have spare time to work part-time online reporting passwords by their modified, I formally work in charge of local government websites are required to fill out a declaration form for the first time landing the next day after taking approval, the network services are shared numbness of the limbs, I realized that reason is on where the landing site for the first time that I must have a share of paralysis Caixing. They upset my computer IE will be black, sometimes black my home district servers. My home computers have been made to do long-systems, some part-time job to lose.
Xinhua Banjul use is a national network platform, very forces it? Our family computer does not have thick, our family of telephone communications is not dense, and later found that our private chat room at home did not dense, we have a private chat at home can be interspersed in the network some of the articles, poems were. And I contacted the phone, can within a few days or a relative's name, or names, the article can be a network or domain names to see, my mother in the off-site fixed-line telephone several times in the telecommunications server fault interruption, until the my mother's death the week before, phone was black, I have contact with the family being the final cut.
And they also recognize the wealth from the cat and mouse confrontation between the shore, but the petition is of no use. In my own computer to write things that you can communicate with them, they would online articles or pictures a very timely response to my content. They say hunting is now the Magnolia paddock, I want fair and necessary to protect a fair capacity, I'd be offended VIP Wai rape. At present my daughter to college, I lost my job ten months, and I do not know how long it can hold. We are a single parent family, his daughter by my independent support, they made an old woman picking up pictures, said that while it had been brilliant, but this is a result,
Suggested my future destiny.
My daughter is to be completed the end of class-based operations, the result is black redo the computer system every day. During this period, that of girls and online echoed intimidate us, disappearances, life insurance, etc., online postings made firearms. A recent threat to our personal action, I took my 80-year-old father and 2-year-old daughter back home to do the anniversary of his death, his mother, had been tracking, is the marshals to take us off by taxi, we see that two Beijing license, vehicle and sped away. Recently there have been models of luxury sedans and cars (not commensurate with the strength and the environment) stopped at my house downstairs, and this is echoed in online threats.
Online crime is a high-tech crimes, because the burden of proof is difficult, so we have no way to report, and now feel that life is threatened, we have to do so. Posted on the Internet, I appeal to cry, saying that cat and mouse confrontation hope Premier Wen's attention, but they hold the public resources, I would have been deleted in the posting (and letters to my ID). They want my daughter can not graduate from college, let me live no way out of unemployment, tell me letters and visits in Beijing that no one tube, was imprisoned in the concentration of petitioners accepted the guest house of a woman being raped, and the petition will eventually drop into their hands,
And they have now been protected. I would say that they are two-faced, online maltreatment and corruption, and that the most dirty salt.
I wish to reflect the situation can get attention, to reflect to the central. Xinhua is China's largest official website of the Chinese government's image, how can we equip them with the public resources to do whatever they want, Xinhua can not be a criminal offense platform. My computer has been put to tell them that as long as his daughter, and we leave it alone, but they have never correct their mistakes.
My response to female students: yes, Shenyang Polytechnic University, College of Automotive Engineering 2006 total of four girls: in pairs, hoping for a breakthrough from her to this crime, corruption, opened the lid.
University is to cultivate talent for the community transportation local talent, rather than a place for brothels to send personnel, university teachers, especially the grassroots leaders should serve as role models. If teachers do not respect the old, for students of physical persecution, and even affect students approach graduation blocking a person's future, I think that schools must investigate, but also students in a fair, notary, justice and human dignity.
In pairs of their own on the outside with the community's character is not indecent, and has now developed into a small group. Their own life is not indecent gave my daughter made a lot of personal attacks, rumors to libel, in the bedroom, led the students to isolate, group vomit, etc., but my daughter's own bedroom and in the other faculties of the students to make friends must recover the past, rumors and then my daughter there would be no friend. Automotive School guide to do these things have been secretary Wang Liqing does not deal with, and has become one of their umbrella participants are also from a personality slander my daughter said, are mentally ill.
To November 2007 in pairs to my daughter bites Wang Liqing did not address, saying that if any treatment must not be simultaneously both graduated, she was not right and wrong is a non-concept, but at the same time to both sides to solve the problem be transferred out of the bedroom . As students and parents at a disadvantage in the strong guide our leaders to do before the conciliatory attitude of the spirit of tolerance, because we do not want to cut off future to graduate. Even so, a month later I was working Secretary Wang called me, saying I took the daughter, because she had a mental illness (the most toxic to human persecution of a move source is the case, we prove that the history of two of the largest limbs),
Said she shared the bedroom of the student testified, saying she was mentally ill. Another accused me of education of parents as there is a problem called her to get up every day affected the students Tongqin rest. I asked her, Shenyang Polytechnic requiring students to get up? She answered 6:00. I said, reversing his way to work every day 8:10 to call, let her review the end of a good test results are wrong? Schools with poor management and supervision of her parents I was learning, but every time she said students sleep, I rise! I asked his daughter: Shenyang Institute of Technology is a young nursing home do? Secretary Wang then said: Everyone can testify as early as you play. I said that school education must first be honest student
, If so many children are lying, then that is your education in schools is a problem, I can play to telecommunications call records to prove that they lie, you can handle them do? I told Secretary Wang hiding behind the skirt is very complex and, in addition to the unusual color in addition to high-tech crimes involving corruption, and participants are asked her to do, but she would not listen. She again my turn to be picked up the child, if a problem at school she was irresponsible. But also said: in the future would affect his daughter graduate, graduate schools have a comprehensive assessment (implying that she can so that we do not graduate). I asked her: Are you on getting a graduate blackmail me? Call to an end.
Explain, adjusting sleep is a newly enrolled freshman dormitory, was elected student union cadres, there is no built-in lock her bedroom at their own expense to install and accessible to all students are equipped with the keys inside the bedroom of their new life with the same grade classmates gathering to bring my daughter, and of which the boys of the masters on this sophomore, said: thanks to your girls in our class students will be able to enter. So there would be testimony to happen, right? Last guide do eat their words, because it was Huyou freshmen impossible.
The end of the sophomore, guided to do again told to move back to the original sleep, because sleep is their own initiative that does not transfer through schools, we must come back, so both sides come back.
Came back still facing an isolated situation, many of the notifications and information not received, we did not dare to meet with her contact, and sometimes alone to see her, daring to fight and just be a call, many people would not see her, if she take the initiative to say hello does not reflect the other side. Even so, Secretary Wang accused of my daughter always wrong with my phone, I do not know whether the schools have provided parents and children to call a breach of school regulations? If a student in the school isolated situation, should call their spare time with his mother and all powers not? Secretary Wang did not know whether the accused had that day was no one in the bedroom, to burn (Bustard) Tel porridge of people?
Communication between parents and children the most natural human communication, instincts confirmed. If the two sides does not do well there will be a generation gap generated as friends if the two sides can communicate well, that I was a successful parent. If there is no smooth communication, in the like under the influence of powerful external forces, perhaps my daughter will be forced to become "Bataihutong" members, Mao Zedong in China, beginning the liberation of overnight abolished brothels, prostitutes now can continue to college campuses, and proud to show off, this is the failure of university education! A person's growth is the family, school and the community the results of multiple integrated education, school

The end of last year, eight school I came to school, is willing to test scores because of a thing. (Mechanical design basis A2) end of the period had been achieved, we are looking for long-distance calls with a class teacher said: there is a student cadre to prove her daughter did not take the test. We went to school attendance Registry check the exam proved that student leaders lie, and now the matter has not handled lying student cadre, I would like a substitute teacher is not wrong very responsible investigation, then the student union cadres Why so bold? Students should be organized to lead students to positive and progressive groups, I think we should play "in unification" role.
In fact, performance is something we have long been felt. Was originally the computer results, it was tampered with in the system to guide subsequent search points to do when the change over. The development of what later became Secretary Wang warned that, we always have questions about performance. Students in front of the school system is weak, a problem to make an application waiting to answer all of lack of transparency, because their own do not see the papers, but two months later to be destroyed. Where (Mao Zedong Thought, Deng Xiaoping Theory and "Three Represents"), examinations, self feel good, but the results did not pass down, they had rebuilt.
Time of registration to see the instructor, said: how you have managed to get quite good restoration? Their own side once again we also have to check points, the results of this paper have been destroyed finished.
There are the basis of control engineering, mechanical design basis A1. I still have questions about these courses, with more ways to block me, I graduated from the fight against al service. At present students have been looking for work but I can not candidates, because there is no diploma find jobs?
Prostitutes in the bedroom, said openly that money on the bottom beneath them is to expect to make a little money. You make money or not I do not care, it was not that I can control, and now Chinese social atmosphere this way, the whole country a spring. But why do you not for the good and decent girl insisted forced prostitution? Not from the implementation of large encirclement, and this siege is one of the college participants are guided to do. I. Members of the meeting that they have to protect the reputation of the Shenyang Institute of Technology, I think the reputation and brand is created out of, rather than cover their out, and guide the leadership to do that is to enact a license to become a prostitute and also imitation, that imitation brand-li against unemployment do ?
Now that women took part in the PubMed, in the review period has been showing off her siemens. I think that the bad guys learn the more the greater the harm to society,
This problem I been from 2009 to August 26 the State Department began to reflect the Prevention of Corruption Bureau and the Central Discipline Inspection Commission of this without result.
It bluntly, this is a "Xinhua Gate" scandal, with ghosting, which is central scandal, my postings have been blocked, and only here a message came. My network sealed.

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