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Let's be real

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I have had a Republican friend say to me recently, " Don't look to the past, let's just go forward."

He was saying that the Obama administration keeps blaming their failures on Bush and that we need to look forward. It is so funny to me that he can say that. Given the fact that all of the failures come from the past eight years of the Bush administration. Obama has been given a tall order to fill.

The pharmaceutical and insurance companies are launching an all out campaign against Health Care reform. They would have us believe that Obama is trying to socialize medicine. That he is some sort of Socialist who wants to have government control our very lives. Please, health care is a right, not a privilege. Pharma wants to charge top dollar for our prescriptions. They have the money and are willing to spare no expense to trying to put fear in the minds of voters, especially the elderly who have to watch their money carefully.  Think of all the people who are right now uninsured. If they get sick and go to City Hospital, the payment for their care falls back on us, the taxpayers. We are paying for their care anyway. Why not have something in place to cover them to begin with?!  Why not make the insurance companies play fair, and have no   pre-existing illness clause, I mean what is that anyway? A child, say, gets ill and because she got ill before her parents had coverage, the insurance company is going to say, "Sorry, we can't cover your daughter." That is messed up.

The thing that really boggles my mind is how these people who are every day working class folks like you and me can jump on the band wagon and stick up for these politicians and insurance companies. They are putting no money in your back pocket. Do you think they even care whether or not you have health care? As long as they, the rich, can keep exploiting us, the workers, they don't care. If you aren't rich then you don't make enough money to be republican.

 

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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 5 months ago

"The thing that really boggles my mind is how these people who are every day working class folks like you and me can jump on the band wagon and stick up for these politicians and insurance companies. They are putting no money in your back pocket. "

The difference is that I can go to another health insurance provider ifI so choose. Unfortunately I cannot choose a different government. If I could I'd pick one that actually follows the founding documents.

"Do you think they even care whether or not you have health care?"

No, probably not, but for different reasons.

"As long as they, the rich, can keep exploiting us, the workers, they don't care."

You have a wide definition of 'exploit' so far as private business is concerned. As difficult as it may be to understand, some jobs are only worth so much. Are janitorial skills worth as much as an engineer's? Are secretary services more valuable than security guard's?

" If you aren't rich then you don't make enough money to be republican."

And here your entire argument falls apart with ad hominem attack. Thanks for playing.

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Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 5 months ago

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I read these arguments for health "care" reform and it just irritates me. It is health &qu … Show full comment

I have a blogs 2 in fact that Medicare RAC is going to hit hospitals, doctors offices and even ambulance companies. It will cost them millions for paperwork errors and duplicated tests and procedures that are sometimes medically needed. The costs will drive many out of business and will drive costs up throughout. This is a stealth program to socialize healthcare.

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Paleryder 5 months ago

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I read these arguments for health "care" reform and it just irritates me. It is health &qu … Show full comment

You said it perfectly. Even after all this,they admit,it will leave 25 million uninsured.Hello...I thought that was the whole point. Seems the point is not to fix,but to control health care.

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johnnyk 6 months ago

I read these arguments for health "care" reform and it just irritates me. It is health "insurance" reform. It is going to do nothing to reduce the cost of health "care". The doctors and hospitals are not going to all of a sudden drop their rates. More than likely it will increase the cost since the rates won't go down and guess what, we will be taxed to pay for it.
As you state, the uninsured already get health care and we are paying for it. So why punish the majority to give health insurance to the few that already get health care? Providing insurance to those without it does not mean they will have access to everything, there will be limits to what care they will recieve, determined by a politically appointed group.
And while we are being real, let's allow the free market to work by removing restrictions on which states the insurance companies can sell. Open the market so all insurance companies can sell in every state.
Let's go after the costs of health "care" by reviewing the current government regulations that hospitals and doctors have to comply with that increase the cost. Let's put limits on the lawsuits and awards for malpractice and instead if it is a bad doctor, take away their license. Let's make the cost of education more affordable. If we are going to reduce the costs of health care the let's focus on health CARE.

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Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 6 months ago

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" Is it the fact that when the government taxes you, you have a say on how that money is spent, … Show full comment

He is in college and hasn't lived in the real world where you have to make a living and see around 50% of what you make go down the drain in taxes. So it's easy for him to say taxes are great. It's other peoples money wht not.

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2fast4u (Constitutionalist) - 6 months ago

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So what exactly is the difference between you paying higher taxes on things harmful to your health, … Show full comment

" Is it the fact that when the government taxes you, you have a say on how that money is spent, or would you rather you're money go to pay for some CEO's yacht?"

A say in how the money is spent, are you serious? Tell me, how much 'say' do you have in how tax moneys are spent? Say, cigarette taxes to pay for a s-chip program? What happens when the deterrent tax is effective and reduces the amount of smokers? Are they going to stop funding low income insurance for children? Are you really that naive?

example of your 'say': http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/teletaxrepeal.htm

At least with private insurance companies I can talk with my dollars and a company will respond quickly if their consumers are unhappy or go broke. The government could really give a rip if you're unhappy and, btw, the Government denies benefits to Veterans at the VA ALL THE TIME!

As for the CEO's yacht, what he does with his money is his business. Tell me, you ever get paid a bonus or a raise for working hard or meeting certain company goals? How happy would you be if the government determined that you weren't deserving and took it? It is my belief, however naive, that if you give most of the taxpayer money back to the taxpayers and stop raping their communities of revenue that many of the problems will take care of themselves.

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wayway2tall 6 months ago

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Why stop at the past 8 years, why not go further back when the Community Reinvestment Act was enacte … Show full comment

So what exactly is the difference between you paying higher taxes on things harmful to your health, and paying higher insurance premiums? Is it the fact that when the government taxes you, you have a say on how that money is spent, or would you rather you're money go to pay for some CEO's yacht?

Our country has the most advanced health care system on the planet. The technology and science behind that system could never have been possible unless our economy soared and our country was succesful. Every working American for the last 200 years worked to make this our current health care system possible and for that reason, I believe the science of making people live longer belongs to everyone.

Capitalism works, there's no doubting that. But at what expense? Is it really fair to say that a person who has struggled to make it by his entire life (and is just as loved by those close to him, and just as afraid of death as anyone else) doesn't deserve every attempt to prolong his life, just because he didn't pick the right stocks to invest in (literally and figuratively)? An insurance company will make every attempt to find a way to not pay for this man's treatment, because it's good business. Capitalism works... but I don't want to trust it with my life.

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2fast4u (Constitutionalist) - 6 months ago

Why stop at the past 8 years, why not go further back when the Community Reinvestment Act was enacted? I believe your Republican friend may have been a bit incensed at the current administration's whining due to the fact that it was Obama that stated that it is time to look to the future. However, as soon as his poll numbers took a hit, he started bringing up the past and blaming his predecessor.
As for the pharmaceutical and insurance companies, it’s apparent that you're a*s is yet again doing the talking for you. If not, maybe you will show me where it is written in US Code or the constitution that health care is a right? Maybe it's in the Bill of Rights? Can't find it in the law? hmm, in the absense of facts that this a protected right written into law of some form it is clearly a privilege and by the way, a costly one. You see Insurance companies, much like Casinos rely upon statistics, not the statistics that the DNC and RNC rely upon with their small sampling. They rely heavily upon the law of large numbers and correlation. (you might have to do some binging here.)
Let’s keep it simple. You see, the Government wants to ‘protect’ people from themselves by taxing things that may be harmful to them such as smoking, eating, driving, drinking, living, etc. But what have THEY done with all of the money? My guess is the same thing they did with all of our SS and FICA money.
On the other hand the insurance companies take these same people and with analysis create models and actuary tables to determine their risk, yes, risk of investing in these people to take care of themselves. What is possibly wrong with that?
So say if I’m 30 and a heavy smoker, drinker, and 20 lbs over weight I may pay more for my policy than someone who had decided not to do those things. But in the end I have the privilege of enjoying the same health care and life insurance coverage of the other person. And, if I change my ways I am rewarded with longer life and lower premiums. There are some serious problems, granted. I personally don’t think a person should be denied coverage; however, will they be able to afford the privilege of being insured? Obscene profits shouldn’t necessarily indicate corruption should they? In a capitalist society isn’t the better business model supposed to provide obscene profits? How’s the Gates foundation doing?

Come on man, Let's be real.

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