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countryplowboy 11 months ago
Reply to Pierre Sarkozy
Of course you didn't say liberal. I am teasing you. We could talk years about the legitimacy of … Show full comment
Of course you didn't say liberal. I am teasing you. We could talk years about the legitimacy of … Show full comment
A dictator was tried and punished for genocide. Of course the world is safer. And that wouldn't have happened without us invading.
And? What bearing do they have on the current conversation?
Wrong, we were involved long before December 7th.
Oh really? You aren't defending him by saying we had no right to go in there? Your right, he was Tried, Found Guilty, Sentenced and Executed for War Crimes and Genocide by the Iraqi's.
Do tell what you think it is then. I have no problem with them knowing what I buy. So long as they don't access my private information. I frankly don't give a da*n if they look at what I do on the internet, so long as they don't access my computer. Why not? What would you have a problem with them knowing?
Pierre Sarkozy (Green) - 11 months ago
Reply to countryplowboy
I didn't say liberal, I said M-O-D-E-R-A-T-E. Again, research Conservativism before you call them co … Show full comment
I didn't say liberal, I said M-O-D-E-R-A-T-E. Again, research Conservativism before you call them co … Show full comment
Of course you didn't say liberal. I am teasing you.
We could talk years about the legitimacy of the war in Iraq. We obviously disagree. My feeling is that this war didn't make the world safer. And I doubt you can argue against that.
And yes, the argument of spreading democracy over the world is a big joke. Do you know who was Allende? Do you know Omar al-Bashi, Kim Jong-il, Than Shwe, Robert Mugabe or Aleksandr Lukashenko?
I don't know your level of knowledge about WWII but the US get involved because they were attacked, not because they wanted to spread democracy all over the world. Of course, I am not defending Saddam and the other dictators of the world and I am glad he doesn't rule his country anymore. He was just killed for other reasons than to free the Iraqis.
I don't think that what we do online is "for all the world to see". People buy stuff online. People meet friends and even get married on the Internet. I don't like the idea of Big Brother watching us all the time. What we do online shouldn't be in the public domain. Or at least, we should be able to know exactly what is in the public domain and what is not.
countryplowboy 11 months ago
Reply to Pierre Sarkozy
Ok. I understand why you think Bush and Cheney are actually liberals. You would have prefer a strong … Show full comment
Ok. I understand why you think Bush and Cheney are actually liberals. You would have prefer a strong … Show full comment
I didn't say liberal, I said M-O-D-E-R-A-T-E. Again, research Conservativism before you call them conservatives. Cheney is definately a conservative but Bush was a Moderate.
It doesn't have to be weapons grade to make a dirty bomb. If you read anything about it it'll say that. Ohh really? Crazy Madman+Uranium+Resources to make Dirty Bomb isn't cause for alarm? If they were useless and didn't represent a threat then why do you think the people handlng them were wearing, oh I don't know HAZMAT SUITS???
It's called syria.
Ohh, so it's a joke to liberate people from a Crazed Tyrant? Maybe we should have just left hitler to conquer europe and asia hmm?
I mean it could be worse, we lost more men on that one day than we have in years of fighting in Iraq. Ohh, doesn't does it?
Those people were convicted with a crime and went through Due Process. Errors will occur and innocent people will slip through the cracks but that happens anywhere.
How am I using the "media's fault" card? When you go online you are going through a phone line, and once your computer dials the number you are look at things that are not on your computer. They don't have the right to go into your computer , but what you do online is pretty much for all the world to see. If you don't want people to find out about it don't do it.
Because what you do online is in the public domain, therefore they aren't breaking into your computer to get it.
Pierre Sarkozy (Green) - 11 months ago
Reply to countryplowboy
If youtruly think they are right wing you need to do a little research. At best the were semi-right … Show full comment
If youtruly think they are right wing you need to do a little research. At best the were semi-right … Show full comment
Ok. I understand why you think Bush and Cheney are actually liberals. You would have prefer a strong right-wing government prohibiting all kind of non-religion approve research, making abortion illegal, nuking all the middle East, etc. I got it. Bush and Cheney were already way too much conservative for me.
About Uranium found in Iraq in 2008: it was not weapons grade. It was well know to the UN and the IAEA since it was stored legally (according to international law) by Hussein's government. Uranium doesn't mean necessarily nuclear bomb. The 300 munitions containing chemical weapons had been found in Iraq since Saddam’s fall dated from the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88, and had degraded so badly that they were useless. In no case they represented a danger for the US and his allies. You are a negationist, or maybe you suffer from memory lost. In 2002, the U.S., U.K, and Spain claimed that Iraq's alleged possession of WMD were a threat to their security. UN inspectors found no evidence of WMD, giving support to earlier criticism of poor intelligence on the subject. After the invasion, the US-led Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its WMD programs in 1991 and had no active programs at the time of the invasion. Other reasons for the invasion stated by Bush included Iraq's financial support for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers (which was true - but they aren't the only one), Iraqi government human rights abuses (true again, not the only one either), and an effort on the part of the coalition forces to spread democracy in the country and region (which is a big joke as everybody knows - less than 40 countries in the world are true democracies).
I don't understand your comparison with WWII. What do you mean exactly? 4,000 dead soldiers don’t count since there were many more in 1944?
When you say “there is reason to go to war with any nation that sponsors the wholesale taking of innocent life”, I disagree. For instance, you know that the administration of the death penalty is fraught with error and results in the conviction and execution of innocent people. Death penalty is legal in many states in the majority of the US states. Many innocent lives are taken every year in those states. I don’t see any good reason here to go to war with the US.
You are again using the “media’s fault’ card on the Patriot Act. And maybe you should read Georges Orwell or you should talk to Chileans, Argentinians or other people who suffered from dictatorship to really understand why government shouldn’t be allowed to watch every civilian activities on the web or anywhere else. I don’t understand how you can say that you hate big government but you are willing to let them know everything you are doing.
countryplowboy 11 months ago
Reply to Pierre Sarkozy
Ok. You think Cheney and Bush are 'moderate', I don't. You think the invasion of Iraq was justif … Show full comment
Ok. You think Cheney and Bush are 'moderate', I don't. You think the invasion of Iraq was justif … Show full comment
If youtruly think they are right wing you need to do a little research. At best the were semi-right leaning moderates. He cut back funding on stem cells. A true conservative would have made them illegal alltogether.
VX Nerve Gas, Mustard Gas and Yellow Cake uranium. And before you go on that whole rant on how they didn't find YC save yourself the embarrassment and read this, http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/ , they did find yellow cake. So the invasion was justified.
I said terrorists, did I ever mention anything about specific groups? And while 4,000 soldiers is a tragedy. We lost more on D-Day, that's ONE DAY compared to YEARS. Do you people not understand this?
There is reason to go to war with any nation that sponsers the wholesale taking of innocent life.
Listen, the PATRIOT Act was formulated to keep this country safe in the wake of attacks on our homeland. ON OUR OWN SOIL! All of that stuff on the internet is crap and you know it. If your doing things online you don't want authorities to know about then you most likely need to be watched. I don't give a flying rat's furry a*s if they read up on what I think about them. Maybe they'll actually listen.
What protests? And if you are protesting don't you WANT the government to know about it?
I didn't say that, I said, and I quote, "I hate big government." However those things hardly fall under that catagory. If they want to see how many times I log on to my politics account why should I give a da*n?
Pierre Sarkozy (Green) - 11 months ago
Reply to countryplowboy
"Right-Wing agenda"? LMAO, hahahahahahaha. Are you sure you know very much about American … Show full comment
"Right-Wing agenda"? LMAO, hahahahahahaha. Are you sure you know very much about American … Show full comment
Ok. You think Cheney and Bush are 'moderate', I don't.
You think the invasion of Iraq was justified. I don't. And lots of people do. The only publicly acknowledged evidence for the claim that Iraq had tried to acquire Weapons of Mass Destruction were related to uranium from Africa, which President Bush talked about in his January, 2003 State of the Union address, based on British intelligence information, are these documents that were claimed to have been official correspondence involving officials of the Republic of Niger. The charge that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium had been deleted from a previous speech due to the CIA's objection that the information had not been confirmed. After more than 4,000 US Soldiers died in Iraq, we are still looking for evidence of 'WMD'.
You apparently don't know much about Middle East. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda has always been in opposition to Sadam Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Laden in 1994. Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Hussein never responded. Two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States. But we know for sure that the Taliban did. FYI: the Taliban are more in Afghanistan than in Iraq. After more than 4,000 US Soldiers died in Iraq, we are still looking for evidence of terrorism acts committed by Iraqis before the US invasion.
Hussein was rewarding the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. But Bush and Cheney never took it as a good reason for their unnecessary war.
About the Civil Liberties threaten by the Patriot Act:
- under the act the government can monitor an individual's Web surfing records
- It can use roving wiretaps to monitor phone calls made by individuals "proximate" to the primary person being tapped.
- It can access Internet service provider records.
- It can even monitor the private records of people involved in legitimate protests.
What you say is pretty surprising from somebody who 'doesn't like big government'.
countryplowboy 11 months ago
Reply to Pierre Sarkozy
Cheney was keeping from inciting a mass panic??? Hahahahahaha. Following 9/11, the Bush-Cheney admin … Show full comment
Cheney was keeping from inciting a mass panic??? Hahahahahaha. Following 9/11, the Bush-Cheney admin … Show full comment
"Right-Wing agenda"? LMAO, hahahahahahaha. Are you sure you know very much about American politics? They were middle of the road, AKA moderate.
The invasion of Iraq qas justified as A; Hussien had WMDs. B; he was training terrorists, and C; he was financing terrorists.
Promoting social control eh? Now isn't that what you advocated on anonther article I posted?
Threaten Civil Liberties? How?
It's PATRIOT for one since it's an acronym, and for two yes I have.
Don't make me laugh. It was raised and lowered multiple times during '04. Would you like me to explain the system to you?
Like what, to push through his "right-wing agenda"?
Pierre Sarkozy (Green) - 11 months ago
Reply to countryplowboy
All right, you really want to go that route? Fine, let's go. They were kept away from the public to … Show full comment
All right, you really want to go that route? Fine, let's go. They were kept away from the public to … Show full comment
Cheney was keeping from inciting a mass panic??? Hahahahahaha. Following 9/11, the Bush-Cheney administration generated a politics of fear that enabled the administration to push through their right-wing agenda, invade Iraq, promote social control and threaten civil liberties. Have you ever heard of the so-called "Patriot Act"? And have you ever ask yourself why the alert level of the 'Homeland Security Advisory System' was raised in 2004, an election year? Don't you think the Bush Administration used them for political rather than strictly security reasons?
countryplowboy 11 months ago
Reply to Pierre Sarkozy
And it’s very convenient for him. During his mandate, everything he did must be kept secret fr … Show full comment
And it’s very convenient for him. During his mandate, everything he did must be kept secret fr … Show full comment
All right, you really want to go that route? Fine, let's go. They were kept away from the public to keep from inciting a mass panic, which is exactly what would happen if people found out their town had come within a hairs breadth of being hit by a terrorist attack. He wants them declassified now to show them what they are calling torture actually saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Obama says all this spending is for our own good, or at least that's what he wants us to believe.
Pierre Sarkozy (Green) - 11 months ago
Reply to countryplowboy
He says if reports were de-classified it would show that the Bush Administration had saved hundreds … Show full comment
He says if reports were de-classified it would show that the Bush Administration had saved hundreds … Show full comment
And it’s very convenient for him. During his mandate, everything he did must be kept secret from the people. On the other hand, the ordinary people were entitled to no secrets from him: he engaged in unwarranted wiretapping and surveillance to his heart’s content. And no matter that it was a violation of federal criminal statutes. But it was for our own good… or at least, this is what he wants us to believe.
countryplowboy 11 months ago
Reply to Pierre Sarkozy
More than 4,000 American soldiers died in Iraq since Cheney and Bush started the war in Iraq. And he … Show full comment
More than 4,000 American soldiers died in Iraq since Cheney and Bush started the war in Iraq. And he … Show full comment
He says if reports were de-classified it would show that the Bush Administration had saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
opentalk 11 months ago
I think Cheney is just playing a very dangerous game. It is terrible but I have the feeling that he is secretly hoping that something happens then he will be remembered for being the wise and smart statesman who alerted the world about an imminent danger and whose rhetoric was ungraciously dismissed by inexperienced leaders.
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