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MrsPresident 9 months ago
Reply to D-IIIII
I don't know whether it is true or not. However, one single piece of paper could end the whole debat … Show full comment
I don't know whether it is true or not. However, one single piece of paper could end the whole debat … Show full comment
How long have you been a member of this site? Have you not noticed that everyday UKFan posts at least 2 articles regarding Obama's citizenship. Also everyday there is at least 5 articles on this site about it. It gets old. People get their panties in a bunch about it. I'm tired of defending my points on this matter and I've realized that it's better to warn people (democrats, independents, and moderates) of this issue before they become disillusioned with this site like I have. They petty arguments, the name calling is ridiculous, the fact that some people get offended because other people know each other personally, is all stupid.
One piece of paper that was provided has been provided but no one wants to believe that to be true. If the man got a time machine and showed everyone his mother giving birth to him the conspiracy theorists still wouldn't believe it to be true.
And yes the president should be a natural born citizen, but what does that really mean anymore? A pregnant Saudi national with ties to Al-Qaeda or the Taliban could land at JFK and end up giving birth here and her child is automatically a natural born citizen? One day that child could end up being my president. Umm no thanks.
D-IIIII (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to MrsPresident
Donald don't even bother to waste your time. Article's about Obama not being able to legally be the … Show full comment
Donald don't even bother to waste your time. Article's about Obama not being able to legally be the … Show full comment
I don't know whether it is true or not. However, one single piece of paper could end the whole debate...
By the way, do you agree that the President should be a natural born citizen?
MrsPresident 9 months ago
Reply to donald
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic. … Show full comment
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic. … Show full comment
Donald don't even bother to waste your time. Article's about Obama not being able to legally be the POTUS run rampant on this site and they never go away. You will get extremely upset and severely frustrated in trying to talk some sense into any of the people who want him out of office. It's a conspiracy gone wild. I learned quickly to not even bother with these articles and move on to the stuff that provokes actual thought and debate.
D-IIIII (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to Good Ole Boy
If he were to quit fighting releasing the documents there would not be a need for : "Suspected, … Show full comment
If he were to quit fighting releasing the documents there would not be a need for : "Suspected, … Show full comment
Point so well made. And yet so easily dismissed by the left, as well as Donald the "neutral" Republican.
And by the way Donald, you seem very quick to comment that people wish to destroy
(p)Resident Obama for the color of his skin. Is that the general consensus of "neutral" Republicans? or is it unique to you? Because I have no problem with the color of his skin. I just want to see if he is legally POTUS. Since he refuses to show a copy of his BC, I am afraid the answer may be no!
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to donald
I am not a Liberal and I have not been living under a rock. Yes, I am new to this site. Also, I don' … Show full comment
I am not a Liberal and I have not been living under a rock. Yes, I am new to this site. Also, I don' … Show full comment
If he were to quit fighting releasing the documents there would not be a need for : "Suspected, Grandmother claims, May be, No record of, Renounced, Illegitimate, Forgery, Edging, May be falsified and Obsolete". What is a fact is he has spent around one million dollars from his campaign fund fighting the BC cases, which is illegal use of campaign funds.
donald 9 months ago
Reply to Good Ole Boy
You are relatively new to the site, check some of the posts, there is one called ten reasons, it lis … Show full comment
You are relatively new to the site, check some of the posts, there is one called ten reasons, it lis … Show full comment
I am not a Liberal and I have not been living under a rock. Yes, I am new to this site. Also, I don't believe everything that I read. People put out tainted information only to try people on their side. I like clear and proven concise concrete information.
I don't believe in trying to destroy someone because of the color of their skin. By the way, I am a Republican. A neutral one.
In your reply you use the words: "Suspected, Grandmother claims, May be, No record of, Renounced, Illegitimate, Forgery, Edging, May be falsified and Obsolete". This all sound like conspiracy logic. Very Machiavellian.
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to donald
I am asking YOU to list the evidence here!
I am asking YOU to list the evidence here!
You are relatively new to the site, check some of the posts, there is one called ten reasons, it lists the evidence,It's like beating a dead horse, if you really haven't seen it, you have been living under a rock. Or you are a liberal who refuses to see. Here they are I decided it wasn't to much trouble there are more than these-----He may not be a natural born citizen qualified to serve as President under Article II of the Constitution
2. He is a suspected illegal alien for two possible reasons
3. He took elected office and was admitted to the Illinois Bar under an alias He admits he was born to an American mother and a British subject, suggesting dual citizenship at best. If he was not born on U.S. soil, and his mother was a minor, she was ineligible to convey US citizenship. Under the British Nationality Act of 1948, he was born a British Citizen. His paternal grandmother claims to have attended his birth in Kenya. Kenya memorializes his place of birth.
At age 3, his mother and father divorced. His mother remarried and his step-father enrolled him in school in Indonesia as "Barry Soetoro."
At age 10, after his mother's second divorce, he reentered the US by casually and illegally assuming his birth name. Later still, he ran for and won elected office under his birth name without disclosing his legal name or his prior use of alternative names.
No record of any legal name change from ‘Barry Soetoro’ to ‘Barack Obama’ has ever been found.
4. He probably lost his citizenship. An Indonesian citizen at age 6 , having been adopted by a national, he may be in the US illegally. USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by natural born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state ... after having attained the age of eighteen years," in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1). Indonesia did not allow for dual citizenship. If Obama got an Indonesian passport in 1981, when he was 20 years old, he effectively renounced any U.S. citizenship he may have had.
5. He is suspected of secretly holding a foreign passport. When he traveled to Pakistan ‘in college’, Americans were not allowed into that country. If he traveled on an Indonesian passport in 1981 at age 20, he was and remains an Indonesian citizen.
6. He posted an illegitimate birth record to deflect questions and allegations.
7. The Certification of Live Birth is a suspected forgery. The "Certification of Live Birth" shown on FightTheSmears.com is not a birth certificate, but an image of an abstract that was invalidated by alteration. As indicated on that same image, the blacked out certification number invalidates the document. Document analysis shows it to be a suspected forgery.
The border is one that is used in 2007 COLBs. As a security measure, Hawaii changes their borders every year. This is when the Obama campaign claims the certificate was obtained. However, the seal and signature stamp are from a 2008 COLB. As revealed by a process called edging, the Hawaiian seal and signature stamp on the back of the document are revealed to be from the wrong year. Document experts have analyzed other aspects and find forgery.
8. He refuses to release relevant records. Since matters available in the public domain raise these issues, the burden rests on Obama/Soetoro to explain. He declines to release college applications, transcripts, his birth record, or addresses of where he has lived.
9. His selective service registration may be falsified. A FOIA document shows a 2008 sequence number for a supposed 1980 registration, an incorrect date of signature, an obsolete postal stamp and other discrepancies. Did he register at age 18 like everyone else?
10. Not a single cause of action has been won by Obama on the merits. All pending suits attempting to get Obama/Soetoro to produce simple documents have been dismissed on technical grounds such as the standing of the plaintiff. Therefore, the courts, including the Supreme Court of the United States have never ruled on the merits of his citizenship.
donald 9 months ago
Reply to Good Ole Boy
Don't have to take it to court others are and the courts refuse to look at the evidence, sooner or l … Show full comment
Don't have to take it to court others are and the courts refuse to look at the evidence, sooner or l … Show full comment
I am asking YOU to list the evidence here!
D-IIIII (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to donald
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic. … Show full comment
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic. … Show full comment
No Donald. (p)Resident (I'll remove the (p) when he produces the document proving he CAN be my President) Obama did not teach the Constitution at the college level. Or as he stated it "I was a constitutional law professor." This is an outright lie. He was no professor, or associate professor, or assistant professor of Constitutional law.
He did teach a few subjexts that dealt with the Constitution. These were as follows- Constitutional Law III: Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process, Current Issues in Racism &the the Law, and Voting Rights & the Democratic Process. Doesn't quite meet the level of Constitutional Law Professor does it?
As an aside, what particular flavor of Kool-Aid is your preference?
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to donald
What evidence? Did you present it to the Attorney General? Did you take out an Ad. in all the major … Show full comment
What evidence? Did you present it to the Attorney General? Did you take out an Ad. in all the major … Show full comment
Don't have to take it to court others are and the courts refuse to look at the evidence, sooner or later one will and we will see what happens.
donald 9 months ago
Reply to Good Ole Boy
You say he was born here, the preponderence of evidence points otherwise.
You say he was born here, the preponderence of evidence points otherwise.
What evidence? Did you present it to the Attorney General? Did you take out an Ad. in all the major news papers listing this evidence. Do you know beyond all doubt that this information is true? Can you show and do you have proof that this information is true?
If you are so positive that this information is true why don't you take it to court as a private citizen.
Just questions, just wondering because I want to know.
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 9 months ago
Reply to donald
And your point is?? The fact is that he was born on America soil. You people need to get your head … Show full comment
And your point is?? The fact is that he was born on America soil. You people need to get your head … Show full comment
You say he was born here, the preponderence of evidence points otherwise.
donald 9 months ago
Reply to Good Ole Boy
If you look at the two you will see that the fathers RACE is given as AFRICAN on the obama document. … Show full comment
If you look at the two you will see that the fathers RACE is given as AFRICAN on the obama document. … Show full comment
And your point is?? The fact is that he was born on America soil. You people need to get your head out of the sand and stop trying to divide America, more than it already is, and accept that we have a Legal President of the U.S. who is of mixed race.
You really do need to grow up and know that the only thing in life that is permanent is change.
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 10 months ago
Reply to donald
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic. … Show full comment
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic. … Show full comment
If you look at the two you will see that the fathers RACE is given as AFRICAN on the obama document. Do you think they were stupid in 1961? They would of put negro as the race. African is nationality. One of many points of error that mark the document as a forgery.
donald 10 months ago
Reply to mexicangirl
I don't beleive or no one beleives this .....why doens't obama just show his passport and see what h … Show full comment
I don't beleive or no one beleives this .....why doens't obama just show his passport and see what h … Show full comment
Ignorance abounds in all manner of men and women and the only cure for it is education and logic.
President Obama taught the Constitution on a college level. Don't you think he would know if he was not qualified to be President? Or do you believe that he would put his family thur the embarrassment of being turned out of office?
This garbage talk is only because his father is from Kena and was married to a White Women. This is more than some white people can mentally handle. This is change and most people can't handle or don't want change.
America is over 200 years old and we have been doing the same thing the same way for all these years. If the elected people did more for the people, instead of themselves we would not be so hungry for change.
People need to stop listening to WND, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Liven,ect and take time to think for them self. These are the last breed of the Grand old Party GOP which is made up of the Grand old Men. And we know who these men are!
mexicangirl 10 months ago
I don't beleive or no one beleives this .....why doens't obama just show his passport and see what he is hiding ..somone wil eventualy discover he is a fruad!! we mexicans knows he is a iiar...........if you beleive that I have some aztecs to sell you !! who are you convincing yourselves..acorn loves to steal elections that is how obama got elected .....he came from the chigaco style mob who lies cheats and well you know and get it huh??
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