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TheyreALLliars Libertarian
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TheyreALLliars (Libertarian) - 5 months ago
Reply to Jeremy86
Well, check this out. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/07/democrats-do-better-among-most-and.h … Show full comment
Well, check this out. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/07/democrats-do-better-among-most-and.h … Show full comment
Aren't you the one that says don't listen to blogs?
I think it depends widely upon the type of education- you get a B.A. in Education- sure you're probably going to follow your union and go left, you get a Ph.D in Economics- you're looking to go Republican- typically. I have noticed that graduate studies tend to be more Independent or middle of the road than anything. And really, it's split 50/50, but most tend to go statist anyway, when you are talking Undergrad. Statistics say that the wealthier tend to be Democratic, but it still depends upon how you acquired the wealth, and the margin in not that much. And something you and most others forget- Obama won by a 54% majority- not so much of a landslide, if you really think about it. Did he win in a landslide with electoral votes? Yes, but that is because the system is flawed and does not reflect Americans true votes or beliefs. In a lot of places, they call the election before the polls close. And really- voting demographics are very much speculative, as they are private. For instance, I was registered a Democrat in VA last year, because they did not have an option for Independent or Libertarian. How many others don't vote their Party? How would they know. There is no way of knowing because the statistics are not scientifically verifiable. People still have a level of privacy that they desire when it comes to politics, especially who they voted for.
-Danielle
Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to TheyreALLliars
Doesn't mean that their facts aren't correct. I mean, should I simply dispose of all the info you g … Show full comment
Doesn't mean that their facts aren't correct. I mean, should I simply dispose of all the info you g … Show full comment
Well, check this out.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/07/democrats-do-better-among-most-and.html
I'm not necessarily making a value judgment about that - I don't tend to think of education levels as a reliable indicator of intelligence itself, anyway - but statistics do tend to bear it out. I was simply connecting that with affluence and economic levels, though; if the most educated (and thus, often, the most wealthy or privileged) and the least educated (and thus, often, the least wealth or privileged) tend to vote Democratic, than it would make sense that the middle area - the middle class, you could say, as well as generally the middle range of education - would tend to vote more Republican. It's not positive or negative, just my interpretation of those voting trends.
TheyreALLliars (Libertarian) - 5 months ago
Reply to Jeremy86
The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank so I'd tend to be a little wary of taking their … Show full comment
The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank so I'd tend to be a little wary of taking their … Show full comment
Doesn't mean that their facts aren't correct. I mean, should I simply dispose of all the info you get from HuffPo which is amazingly left bent? Whether left or right, they have to prove their findings or they would get sued. And saying someone that is more educated votes for Obama is wildly untrue and prejudice.
-Danielle
Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to TheyreALLliars
And here's actually an article that has statistics to prove just that- Democratic areas are largely … Show full comment
And here's actually an article that has statistics to prove just that- Democratic areas are largely … Show full comment
The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank so I'd tend to be a little wary of taking their findings at face value (as I would a liberal think tank, or any other source with an ideological bent). They've got an axe to grind. Interesting though. It's also not necessarily contradictory, though; voting patterns in the 2008 election, according to some analysis, showed both the most educated (in terms of schooling) and least educated both going more for Obama than people in the middle range of education, and of course education-levels also tend to be a reflection on respective wealth.
TheyreALLliars (Libertarian) - 5 months ago
Reply to Jeremy86
Okay, yeah I see what you're saying. Don't get me wrong, I find the discrepancy interesting, and ce … Show full comment
Okay, yeah I see what you're saying. Don't get me wrong, I find the discrepancy interesting, and ce … Show full comment
And here's actually an article that has statistics to prove just that- Democratic areas are largely more affluent- http://www.heritage.org/press/commentary/ed110607a.cfm. No word of how libertarians do, though.
-Danielle
TheyreALLliars (Libertarian) - 5 months ago
Reply to Jeremy86
Okay, yeah I see what you're saying. Don't get me wrong, I find the discrepancy interesting, and ce … Show full comment
Okay, yeah I see what you're saying. Don't get me wrong, I find the discrepancy interesting, and ce … Show full comment
Right, and I'm not about to either. I wouldn't say anything significant until we've spent 50%. 6% of the money, even if it is more of a portion of aid money, is too insignificant a sample. But it's worth monitoring, and both should be about equal in the end, if it is to be fair. I disagree that poorer areas vote Democratic more. I think some poorer areas vote Democratic more, some less. It depends upon which areas we're talking about. Northern VA, where I used to live, is fairly afluent (several of the top ten zip codes for income are in the DC metro area), and NoVa is almost completely Democratic. The same can be said for San Diego, Ca, Connecticut, etc.
-Danielle
Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to TheyreALLliars
I appreciate that- but you got to stop assuming. That's exactly what I was trying to say in my ar … Show full comment
I appreciate that- but you got to stop assuming. That's exactly what I was trying to say in my ar … Show full comment
Okay, yeah I see what you're saying. Don't get me wrong, I find the discrepancy interesting, and certainly worth monitoring, I'm just not ready to jump to conclusions yet. The fact that these same counties were already receiving more aide than the McCain ones several years prior to the election (and it's no secret poorer areas tend to vote Democratic) suggests to me that they were already fairly needy, and it would stand to reason that they might also tend to be hit harder than other areas by the current economic crisis.
TheyreALLliars (Libertarian) - 5 months ago
Reply to Jeremy86
I didn't realize it was actually our blog and assumed it was just one that you'd happen to read, hen … Show full comment
I didn't realize it was actually our blog and assumed it was just one that you'd happen to read, hen … Show full comment
I appreciate that- but you got to stop assuming.
That's exactly what I was trying to say in my article- we can't say for sure it's a conspiracy yet until more money is spent. Only 6% has been spent. I wouldn't start saying that it was purposeful until at least 50% of money is spent. I never assumed guilt, and if you read my article a little closer, you would see that.
And no, I didn't misunderstand you, you misunderstood the article. Last year Obama areas were at 150% of McCain areas. Now they are at 202%. That is more than 50% discrepency there between last year and this one. 52% if you want to get technical. Go back and do the math, it's there. That;s defintely a difference, and is provided not only in my article, but also in the USA Today that it's linked to. As far as demographics- they may have changed slightly- but not by 52%. We need to wait and see while more money is spent.
Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago
Reply to TheyreALLliars
I read the article Jeremy, and 50% more than before is a pretty big discrepency. OBM watch did not … Show full comment
I read the article Jeremy, and 50% more than before is a pretty big discrepency. OBM watch did not … Show full comment
Maybe when his popularity hits 20% or so he might but I doubt it.
Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to TheyreALLliars
I read the article Jeremy, and 50% more than before is a pretty big discrepency. OBM watch did not … Show full comment
I read the article Jeremy, and 50% more than before is a pretty big discrepency. OBM watch did not … Show full comment
I didn't realize it was actually our blog and assumed it was just one that you'd happen to read, hence my first comment about blogs. So I apologize for that.
My issue though with it was merely that it's selective. I find the issue interesting and I think it should be questioned for sure; however, that does have to be tempered with the complete facts, which is that no wrongdoing has yet been found and that initial evidence points in both directions. It's perfectly possible to include all the important facts and still suggest wrongdoing, but this assumes guilt while leaving out all evidence of innocence.
Also, I think you may have misunderstood (which is probably the fault of bad wording on my part). The 50% was actually referring to the fact that those same counties, during 2005-2007 (the Bush years), were receiving 50% more government aid IN THAT TIMEFRAME than the counties that later voted for McCain. In other words, though large, the disparity had already been in place prior to the stimulus package itself, and prior to Obama's election. I get the sense that this says less about wrongdoing and more about the respective demographics and counties that would tend to vote for each party and candidate.
TheyreALLliars (Libertarian) - 5 months ago
Reply to Jeremy86
If you actually click through to the original USA Today article cited, it notes that the same counti … Show full comment
If you actually click through to the original USA Today article cited, it notes that the same counti … Show full comment
I read the article Jeremy, and 50% more than before is a pretty big discrepency. OBM watch did not say they found no tampering they said, like I did, that they need to wait and see. I used USA Today as a source, not a blog, which I linked back to. It's too early to say whether or not there is a consipiracy, but it is absolutely not fair. Do you ever believe in fairness? Or do you define it differently than I do? You said before you don't go along with Democratic agenda always, but I have yet to see you diverge.
-Danielle
Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
If you actually click through to the original USA Today article cited, it notes that the same counties now receiving more aid were also receiving about 50% more government aid in 2005 through 2007 than the counties that later voted for McCain, which suggest they were probably needier to begin with. As well, the money being used on projects like cleaning up nuclear waste or repaving runways is actually going overwhelmingly to McCain counties, and the non-profit OMB Watch has so far found no clear evidence of political tampering.
This is always the problem with using blogs as a news source (and don't get me wrong, I love blogs). Even when they cite real sources, it's easy for them to pluck out certain parts that favor their point of view. No doubt some liberal blogs are plucking out the same facts I just posted here and posting items about how fair and wonderful Obama is being. You have to take it all in balance.
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