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ALL CAPS emails lead to woman's firing

Submitted by Rosetteismyname | 7 months ago

tech.yahoo.com - ProCare didn't like her approach, suggesting she caused "disharmony in the workplace" and was being too confrontational via email, eventually firing her without warning.

Walker, however, got the last laugh. She sued for wrongful termination and won the case, pocketing $17,000 in lost wages and for other unspecified harm caused due to the firing.

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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You're obviously not big on common sense. I don't dispute she won the case. My point is simply the … Show full comment

You obviously not big in common sense - or actual sense. Your point isn't about her being an asset or not - it is about the fact that you think that it was for another stated reason of firing - if it were then they should have stated that...

You obviously don't know how the legal system works. Maybe you should start learning it.

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YourChoice 7 months ago

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YourChoice, the story is NOT a question of your IF hypotheticals.... they don't exist and as a matte … Show full comment

You're obviously not big on common sense. I don't dispute she won the case. My point is simply they deemed her no longer an asset to the company. If she was, and the whole company used emails with all caps, she would still be there. I've gone back and read many of your posts. You obviously are still learning the legal system and how it works.

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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Why? If she was still an asset why did they terminate her? The probability here is that it was not … Show full comment

YourChoice, the story is NOT a question of your IF hypotheticals.... they don't exist and as a matter in seeking truth - were not there

She was fired for using ALL CAPS - they mentioned that - if it were not true - then the employer would have denied it. If she was fired for other reasons and they felt the need to state just one of them, then they should have BUT they didn't

The question here isn't why she was fired. That question is answered BEFORE it is even asked. She was fired for using all caps. She won her case! Why did she win? Because it was an accepted practice amongst the office for them to use the ALL CAPS

They said, maybe bold - underline and all red - IF they didn't want the law suit - maybe a more solid reason should have been stated IF one existed - and yes that is very big IF - COMPANY personnel aren't dumb and if there were other reasons they were likely more viable for a law suit then this one - otherwise they wouldn't have given it

Basically it says they didn't have a good reason - otherwise they would have given it and they didn't give her that reason - a solid one - they said she used all caps - she sued - she won

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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She won because her attorneys were better at influencing opinion than the others. That is all a lega … Show full comment

LOL! You obviously know little about how the legal system and discovery works....

THIS IS NOT TELEVISION - The courtroom in real life is NOT some drama that you watch in the movies either. Attorney's have little impact on finding questions of truth or questions of fact -

This is what the discovery process is for! The legal decision comes down to what was discussed during the deliberations which is inclusive of all things that went down at trial. No attorney would sign off on this if there wasn't a case - HUGE sanctions come down on attorney's if they assist in what can be construed as frivolity

So sorry Elithros - you lose again...

The attorney's are about finding questions of fact and truth that support their side and presenting the evidence of the discovery to the jury. That is what it is about! you really should study it and/or work in a law firm to understand what happens here...

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YourChoice 7 months ago

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this isn't the media sucking here - sorry man - what you are saying here is still wrong BECAUSE ---- … Show full comment

Why? If she was still an asset why did they terminate her? The probability here is that it was not about using all caps in emails. Just ask yourself which makes more sense? Firing a good employee because she used all caps in an email or firing an employee who is no longer wanted for other reasons?

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Elitheros (Libertarian) - 7 months ago

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this isn't the media sucking here - sorry man - what you are saying here is still wrong BECAUSE ---- … Show full comment

They terminated her because they did not want her anymore. Period. Simple as that. She was no longer an asset. No longer needed/desired/wanted by the company. So long, farewell, goodbye! They ousted her. Period. Government should not interfere with such issues. A company can fire staff that are not serving the best need of the company. If her emails were considered to be an issue, than they can fire her. It's not a government concern.

She won not because she was right or wrong, but because her layers argued a case better than the other side. That is all civil law is. It has nothing to do with being correct or in the right or wrong.

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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A company has a right to terminate employees they deem are no longer an asset to the company. The … Show full comment

this isn't the media sucking here - sorry man - what you are saying here is still wrong BECAUSE ----

the company didn't terminate an employee because they deemed her no longer an asset. They terminated her based on an all caps email.


If there is "more than likely" just using all caps AND THAT IS A HUGE IF there - then they never should have said that....

Fact is SHE WON THE CASE

SHE WAS DEEMED CORRECT

THE COMPANY WAS FOUND LIABLE!!!!! (bold - underline - red)

It is interesting which is why I posted it - (and there is no way everything that you post is stop the presses worthy ) - this was marked at "out there" - and yes it is news worthy enough to go on here as you've shown that being that we disagree with your HUGE hypothetical, so called, "IF"

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Elitheros (Libertarian) - 7 months ago

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if that were true then she wouldn't have won her case - PERIOD. re-read my comments to you earlie … Show full comment

She won because her attorneys were better at influencing opinion than the others. That is all a legal decision comes down to. Truth is not of the biggest concern to an attorney, wining is.

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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How is using ALL CAPS in an email offensive or harmful to the workings of a company? How about if a … Show full comment

Using all caps in her situation was not offensive as it was a practice in the company - an accepted thing that they did

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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I am not saying that it is per say, it has to do more with the intent of the writer, the tone etc, j … Show full comment

if that were true then she wouldn't have won her case - PERIOD.

re-read my comments to you earlier

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Elitheros (Libertarian) - 7 months ago

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a company cannot fire for any reason without an agreement between the employer and the employer... Y … Show full comment

A company has a right to terminate employees they deem are no longer an asset to the company.

There is likely more ot it than just using CAPS. Her tone outside of emails and her intent could also have been a factor. Though the article will not cover that, why ask digging and journalistic questions anymore>? The media sucks.

I agree it is a bit interesting, but not 'stop the presses worthy' or even page 25 worthy.

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Elitheros (Libertarian) - 7 months ago

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How is using ALL CAPS in an email offensive or harmful to the workings of a company? How about if a … Show full comment

I am not saying that it is per say, it has to do more with the intent of the writer, the tone etc, just the ALL CAPS is not the whole story.

A company has a right to terminate employees they deem are no longer an asset to the company. Period.

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Kepi 7 months ago

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Has nothing to do with political correctness. This is a private matter between a company and an indi … Show full comment

How is using ALL CAPS in an email offensive or harmful to the workings of a company? How about if a politician wins an election and pushes for some kind of government oversight or new tax that will harm the company financially, does that company have the right to terminate the employees who voted for that politician? I know that example is maybe off subject but I really don't understand how capitol letters can harm anyone or anything. Can you tell me your thoughts on how you think caps may have harmed the business? I do not know the labor laws of her country but I wonder if they had some kind of employee handbook that said the use of caps and color is ground for termination. To me this sounds beyond stupid. Maybe if they had told her in the past to stop using caps and color, then sure ok, she was told to do something and refused to comply.

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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Has nothing to do with political correctness. This is a private matter between a company and an indi … Show full comment

a company cannot fire for any reason without an agreement between the employer and the employer... Yes it basically differentiates from state to state...

However in addition if an employer claims that they are firing you for all caps - they need to back it up or hope that they have something else instead such as "peformance" and be able to back it up and not mention the all caps at all.


Odds are she probably had a case. It was 17k so it isn't like she ran off with millions...

Read the story? It was accepted practice in their inner office email to do things like all caps - but it wasn't bold or underlined or red which is why she won her case...

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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IT JUST SHOWS HOW RADICAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CAN GET IN THE WORLD TODAY. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE … Show full comment

lol

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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I fail to see how this is news worthy.

I just thought it was interesting... I believe I clicked the "out there" box for this submission

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Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 7 months ago

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I fail to see how this is news worthy.

I just thought it was interesting... I believe I clicked the "out there" box for this submission

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Elitheros (Libertarian) - 7 months ago

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IT JUST SHOWS HOW RADICAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CAN GET IN THE WORLD TODAY. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE … Show full comment

Has nothing to do with political correctness. This is a private matter between a company and an individual former employee. Nothing more. A company can fire its staff, especially if they are harmful to the workings of company.

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Kepi 7 months ago

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I fail to see how this is news worthy.

IT JUST SHOWS HOW RADICAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CAN GET IN THE WORLD TODAY. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WORLD THAT WILL NOT BE OFFENSIVE TO SOMEONE BUT WE ARE FORCED TO REMOVE ANYTHING OFFENSIVE. CATCH 22

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Elitheros (Libertarian) - 7 months ago

I fail to see how this is news worthy.

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