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Why Are Unions More Unpopular Than Ever? Why Are Unions More Unpopular Than Ever?

Submitted by FreedomGirl | 7 months ago

The Atlantic - Those auto bailouts were outrageous, and Americans could be transferring their frustration over to the unions.

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wayway2tall 7 months ago

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Americans supported the car companies, period! I have bought new Chevies and Fords, My wife is even … Show full comment

Sure...

Afghanistan I- Reagan

If you want to count Kosovo as a war than Iraq I - Bush I

And if you want to say that Obama gets afghanistan, than Nixon gets some of Vietnam.

But hey, if you think that the democrats are responsible for as many wars around the world as republicans, no skin off my back. Any wars fought by democrats are defensive, they very rarely take any sort of offensive position against a country.

The auto industry paid taxes all those years. They paid workers 10 times as much as they would have been paid in a foreign country. I think that's commendable, they shared the success of their business, and it was mostly the fault of the engineers and the marketers who failed to make cars that people wanted to buy. The auto industry can rise again, they just need an infusion of talent, and a little revamping.

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large 7 months ago

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I disagree. Foreign car companies couldn't compete with American car companies until the 90's when t … Show full comment

Americans supported the car companies, period! I have bought new Chevies and Fords, My wife is even guilty of buying a Dodge once . . That, my friend, is supporting the Auto Companies and their Unions . . If they "supported America" then I wouldn't have had to pay for them, now, would I?

And from a personal experience standpoint, in 1966, the CF&I Steel and Iron Works in Pueblo, CO began pinkslipping union employees for driving foreign cars to work and parking them in the mill's parking lots. So that's when the Steel and auto companies began to notice . . The Unions never did!

As for a Democrat spending money in the community, that's fine, but it's never his money he's spending, it's some Republican's . . . Robin Hood Economics . .

Wars? Vietnam, Kennedy . . Kosovo, Clinton . . Afghanistan I, Clinton . . Iraq, Bush II . . Afghanistan II, Obama . . one out of five by a Republican . . get your facts in order, please . .

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wayway2tall 7 months ago

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Usually we parallel on opinion, but sorry pal, not today . . You say; " Auto industry suppo … Show full comment

I disagree. Foreign car companies couldn't compete with American car companies until the 90's when the emphasis switched from power to fuel economy. I don't think that it's a reach to say that car manufacturing was our most productive good in the 20th century. Steel phased out in the second half, other countries caught up with our agriculture, and we never produced enough oil to have a surplus. While the auto industry has outsourced, there are well over 100,000 factory jobs that they did not outsource, which is more then many manufacturers can say.

Blackwidow, despite what you might think, I'm not stupid. I'm well aware that conservatives don't like giving money to people they think don't deserve it. But who should they vote for? Either elect a democrat who is going to try to spend your money around in your community, or give it to a republican who's going to use it to fight some war in a far off country, or try to spend a trillion dollars on military technology that doesn't work (missile shield)

Who should I be voting for? An entire government of Ron Paul's?

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large 7 months ago

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Who should I vote for then? Your heartless. The auto industry supported our country for 50 years, … Show full comment

Usually we parallel on opinion, but sorry pal, not today . .

You say; " Auto industry supported our country for 50 years," . . Wrong, wrong, wrong! . . THE AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY SUPPORTED THE AUTO INDUSTRY FOR 50 YEARS and when they could no longer build a car worth buying, America bought foreign.

Just like you buy Chinese made products today rather than American made (when you can find one) products because they're cheaper . . Detroit is just as guilty of outsourcing as any other American Industry . . Economic reality just caught up with them with greater effect!

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Torchlight2 (Republican) - 7 months ago

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You should vote for someone less interested in feasting on your income, to give it to someone else i … Show full comment

God bless you, you're the first person to shut that guy up!

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blackwidow 7 months ago

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Who should I vote for then? Your heartless. The auto industry supported our country for 50 years, … Show full comment

You should vote for someone less interested in feasting on your income, to give it to someone else in the form of "bailout." then saying it's from "the government." Like foolish things quick to jump into deceitful traps, you sound like you're happy in the snare you stepped into.

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wayway2tall 7 months ago

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So, the people of detroit keep liberal w*****s in control of the city, the unions bring the auto mak … Show full comment

Who should I vote for then?

Your heartless. The auto industry supported our country for 50 years, and now you just want to let them fail. But you don't live in detroit, so you don't think it effects you....

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ChipBuffalo (Constitutionalist) - 7 months ago

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Woah, woah, woah. I don't think it's fair to say that the auto bailouts were outrageous. Detroit has … Show full comment

So, the people of detroit keep liberal w*****s in control of the city, the unions bring the auto makers to the brink of death, and the rest of the country has to put their hard earned tax dollars into that sinking ship? Why so in another 5 years, they have to come crawling on their knees begging for more?

Give me a break. The people of Detroit (and all of Michigan) have done to their state what the unions have done to their jobs. They made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.

If you want to get out of the poor house, start electing the adults who will take (and keep) you out.

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wayway2tall 7 months ago

Woah, woah, woah. I don't think it's fair to say that the auto bailouts were outrageous. Detroit has over 5,000,000 people in it's metropolitan area, without the bailout, detroit was finished, and we would have lost one of our major centers of production. If american car companies can be ingenious like they've been in the past, and pioneer hydrogen cars, hydrogen fuel cells, electric cars, or biofuel cars, they can jump right back into business. So far, it looks a little bleek, but it always does right before a breakthrough.

Unions are a good idea. They can get horribly out of control like that auto-workers union did. But there's nothing wrong with having an organization of workers who is led by a person with enough expertise in the industry to know when the workers are getting screwed.

They're probably unpopular today because people think that they should back down and allow their business's to become more profitable. But I think it's corporate saleries that should decrease to cope with the hard times. If a vice-president is making 2 million dollars a year (low) and a worker is making $60,000 (high) that basically means that the vice-president is more valuable than 33 people who are actually producing cars. Seeing as how bad the marketing, engineering, and business model for car companies has been, I don't think that's a fair ratio.

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ChipBuffalo (Constitutionalist) - 7 months ago

the unions are willing to march with this president to economic disaster in the hope that 90% of the new "green jobs" will be union jobs. Every country that experiments with going "green" experiences the fact that for every green job created, 2.5 regular jobs go away. The dirty little secret here is that the unions are being exploited as usefull idiots here. they give millions to the democrats, and in the end, they will suffer just as much as the rest of us.

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