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Teikiatsu (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
Our quality of care is surpassed by none, but a lot of people are not lucky enough to get it due to … Show full comment
Our quality of care is surpassed by none, but a lot of people are not lucky enough to get it due to … Show full comment
You can thank the government for forcing doctors to use health insurance.
Have the people you see in the ER ever tried to approach doctors by paying out of pocket? Without a paper trail to follow some doctors are very much willing to cut their overhead.
This is the basic problem with insurance, it artifically inflates prices by adding layers of beuaracracy(sp), forces doctors to keep more people specifically to handle paperwork, and usually requires up-front co-pays for basic inexpensive services.
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not … Show full comment
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not … Show full comment
Do you also disdain what Thomas Jefferson wrote? He was a far wiser individual than you or I.
"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, Nov 29, 1802
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
I'm not a "victim". I have a good job and health insurance. I'm speaking for those who don … Show full comment
I'm not a "victim". I have a good job and health insurance. I'm speaking for those who don … Show full comment
You are not looking at what is in the bill and disregard alternatives, I was really wrong in believing you were open minded.
Good Ole Boy (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to Teikiatsu
You are the one who said it would create competition to provide all those wonderful things, not me. … Show full comment
You are the one who said it would create competition to provide all those wonderful things, not me. … Show full comment
I have told her the same things you have and the other crap that is in the bill and she keeps it up. She is either not listening or just a typical lib reciting the mantra.
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to panajachel
RN2009 If you have a good Job what are you doing on the net on monday morning, waiting for the mail … Show full comment
RN2009 If you have a good Job what are you doing on the net on monday morning, waiting for the mail … Show full comment
Somehow I knew you would wonder about that. I must have ESP. Did you not know that hospitals operate around the clock, 24/7? I work night shift, and have been off for 2 nights. I suppose you need to know how I can be off work 2 nights. Well, like Good Ole Boy, who is also a registered nurse, I work 12/hr shifts, as most nurses do. Tonight will be my 3rd night off. What are you doing on here? Are you retired and getting government sponsored SS and Medicare?
panajachel 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
I'm not a "victim". I have a good job and health insurance. I'm speaking for those who don … Show full comment
I'm not a "victim". I have a good job and health insurance. I'm speaking for those who don … Show full comment
RN2009 If you have a good Job what are you doing on the net on monday morning, waiting for the mail man? OBAMA SUCKS.
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to panajachel
Play the victim rn2009 just like communist leaders like it, before they become dictators, your ignor … Show full comment
Play the victim rn2009 just like communist leaders like it, before they become dictators, your ignor … Show full comment
I'm not a "victim". I have a good job and health insurance. I'm speaking for those who don't, unlike some of you who only speak for and care for yourselves.
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to ReaganiteGOPer
Have you done paid writing for the Unabomber... on that manifesto of his? I see a certain simila … Show full comment
Have you done paid writing for the Unabomber... on that manifesto of his? I see a certain simila … Show full comment
Same old lying twisted bull-sh*t; this time about me, someone you don't know. Is there no extremism too far-fetched for some of you guys? Were you the inspiration for Scrooge in Dickens' "Christmas Carol"? LMAO and ROFLMAO
ReaganiteGOPer (Republican) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
That's a twisted analogy if I ever heard one. So you're from the old school that says everyone needs … Show full comment
That's a twisted analogy if I ever heard one. So you're from the old school that says everyone needs … Show full comment
Have you done paid writing for the Unabomber... on that manifesto of his?
I see a certain similarities in your disjointed, rambling diatribes-
LMAO X 2
panajachel 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
That's a twisted analogy if I ever heard one. So you're from the old school that says everyone needs … Show full comment
That's a twisted analogy if I ever heard one. So you're from the old school that says everyone needs … Show full comment
Play the victim rn2009 just like communist leaders like it, before they become dictators, your ignorance about this whole thing, does not surprised me.
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to ReaganiteGOPer
America is not the place for giving everyone what they want, or even need.... it is the place for th … Show full comment
America is not the place for giving everyone what they want, or even need.... it is the place for th … Show full comment
That's a twisted analogy if I ever heard one. So you're from the old school that says everyone needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, even if they have no boots, or health insurance? Is the Republican solution still "die quickly"? You said yourself America is not the place for giving everyone what they want, or NEED. I assume you're referring to health care. Even Reagan would have been able to muster more compassion than some of you who have none. Some of you should be ashamed, but a bunch who will lie and twist the truth just because of their own greed has no shame. You are the ones who hate Americans, at least the less fortunate. Take that silver spoon out of your mouth.
ReaganiteGOPer (Republican) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
I think most states have that available if a patient is admitted to the facility. Most people don't … Show full comment
I think most states have that available if a patient is admitted to the facility. Most people don't … Show full comment
America is not the place for giving everyone what they want, or even need.... it is the place for those who want to EARN it.
The country also has porous borders and the highest immigration rate in the industrialized world- only very simplistic people would think that providing a massive entitlement program in the US is a good idea... and Obama has shown every indication of wanting to cover illegals, anyway.
This moron is doing it for his own narcissistic ego gratification, wants to go down in history as some sort of leftist hero for the world... he has NO CLUE what's a good idea for America, the capitalism that provided all this bounty you're looking to snake, or any productive element of the society... and he doesn't care because he hates them all- that's what happens when you're raised by far-left wierdos and have Frank Marshall Davis spitting in your ear from a young age.
By 2012, most Americans will wince at the very mention of the name "Obama"- and the GOP could take 40 states running Miley Cyrus- enjoy your ride on the Hindenburg, RN
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to lawandorder
No, I was not referring to Medicare or Medicaid. In Washington state, hospitals are required to off … Show full comment
No, I was not referring to Medicare or Medicaid. In Washington state, hospitals are required to off … Show full comment
I think most states have that available if a patient is admitted to the facility. Most people don't need admission, but they do need preventive care. Private physicians' offices and pharmacies have no charity programs that I've ever heard of.
lawandorder (Republican) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
Our quality of care is surpassed by none, but a lot of people are not lucky enough to get it due to … Show full comment
Our quality of care is surpassed by none, but a lot of people are not lucky enough to get it due to … Show full comment
No, I was not referring to Medicare or Medicaid. In Washington state, hospitals are required to offer 100% charity care to anyone who is within a certain percentage of the federal poverty level and even those who make above poverty level can receive a percentage of the total bill written off.
And since we are in agreement that America's quality of care is surpassed by none, can you understand the reluctance of many of us to change to a socialist-based system as other countries have? The quality of care in those countries is directly affected by that model,
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to Teikiatsu
Sounds like you are describing problems with Medicare and artifically inflated costs due to third-pa … Show full comment
Sounds like you are describing problems with Medicare and artifically inflated costs due to third-pa … Show full comment
Our quality of care is surpassed by none, but a lot of people are not lucky enough to get it due to lack of insurance.
Teikiatsu (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
I worked in my hospital's ER for quite awhile, and that's where people without insurance present the … Show full comment
I worked in my hospital's ER for quite awhile, and that's where people without insurance present the … Show full comment
Sounds like you are describing problems with Medicare and artifically inflated costs due to third-payer systems, not about the actual quality of care in our system.
And this bill will make those problems worse.
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to lawandorder
"Let's continue to be embarrassed that we are the only industrialized country on the planet tha … Show full comment
"Let's continue to be embarrassed that we are the only industrialized country on the planet tha … Show full comment
I worked in my hospital's ER for quite awhile, and that's where people without insurance present themselves. Yes, they are seen, treated, and instructed to follow-up with their family physician, and in some cases referred to specialists. Many don't have a family doctor, however, because they don't have insurance. They can't follow-up with specialists either, and have no money to fill the prescriptions the ER gives them. Is this the "care" you're talking about? Please be specific about the "charity" you mentioned. If you're talking about medicaid, many don't qualify. One must be disabled to get it; being low income and working for the laughably low minimum wage does not qualify a person to get medicaid.
lawandorder (Republican) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not … Show full comment
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not … Show full comment
"Let's continue to be embarrassed that we are the only industrialized country on the planet that doesn't take care of its citizenry."
How can you say we don't take care of our citizenry? We have free housing, free food and yes, free medical care to those who cannot afford it. It's called 'charity care' in most states and its been around for a few years now.
And in case you don't believe me, just look as the tens of thousands of people who come to our county each month hoping for our way of life.
We all agree that health care needs an overhaul, but you and other liberals act like the poor and those with pre-existing conditions are not receiving quality health care, and that's simply untrue. Whether or not they have insurance, the hospitals still treat them every time they present themselves at the hospital. No one is turned away. Do you think that standard is being met in other countries?
countryplowboy 5 months ago
Reply to Teikiatsu
You are the one who said it would create competition to provide all those wonderful things, not me. … Show full comment
You are the one who said it would create competition to provide all those wonderful things, not me. … Show full comment
And that there is absolutely no way to prevent the favoratism that would follow. How can they prevent people being denied medical care because of political or religious beliefs?
Teikiatsu (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not … Show full comment
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not … Show full comment
You are the one who said it would create competition to provide all those wonderful things, not me. Therefore since you can't answer you admit it will not do those things.
And if you would take your fingers out of your ears and stop chanting LA LA LA you;'d know there have been conservative options generated.
1) Torte reform to reduce defensive medicine
2) Health Savings accounts
3) Open up competition between the states so that all 1300 insurance companies can compete for people.
4) Tax credits for individuals that take up their own health care separate from the employer.
5) Knee-cap insurance to only catastrophic medical needs and have people pay for standard daily visits and preventative medicine out of pocket, provided that the doctors show their fees and the patient can choose where to go.
As far as government is concerned, you're damn right I say NO, because I KNOW that government can't keep up with demand and will place us in a worse situation than we are now.
Paleryder 5 months ago
Reply to Teikiatsu
Please explain how private companies can compete with an entity that doesn't have to meet a bottom l … Show full comment
Please explain how private companies can compete with an entity that doesn't have to meet a bottom l … Show full comment
Exactly.They do not have to worry about the bottom line,the costs,or the price.the never-ending wallet of the tax-payer will be called upon time and time again to bail them out.
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to Teikiatsu
Please explain how private companies can compete with an entity that doesn't have to meet a bottom l … Show full comment
Please explain how private companies can compete with an entity that doesn't have to meet a bottom l … Show full comment
The sad thing is some of the big CEO's may have to cut back on their lavish lifestyles; they may not get their extra millions in bonuses. Don't tell me I haven't answered your question; give me your alternative ideas. Or is it "no" as usual? NO public option, NO regulation of big insurance, NO acceptance of people with pre-existing medical conditions, NO coverage of those who can't afford high premiums; no change, period. Let's continue to be embarrassed that we are the only industrialized country on the planet that doesn't take care of all its citizenry.
Teikiatsu (Independent) - 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
Government involvement will take the fox out big insurance's henhouse. They will no longer be allowe … Show full comment
Government involvement will take the fox out big insurance's henhouse. They will no longer be allowe … Show full comment
Please explain how private companies can compete with an entity that doesn't have to meet a bottom line, can print or tax away more money to cover its continual and predictable shortfalls, makes the rules that private companies must abide by but can ignore them itself, and doesn't have to provide any measure of customer service and can mandate people use its services.
Take your time, I'm patient.
countryplowboy 5 months ago
Reply to RN2009
Government involvement will take the fox out big insurance's henhouse. They will no longer be allowe … Show full comment
Government involvement will take the fox out big insurance's henhouse. They will no longer be allowe … Show full comment
Vagueness and to the point are oft confused. No, government involvement will replace the Fox with a Bear. Take the government and all it's mandates out and if the hens see a fox in the henhouse they will be able to simply buy a new henhouse.
Like Fannie, Freddie, the Post Office and Amtrak? You still haven't answered that simple question. Go read some of my blogs, in particular "A Conservative Alternative to CommieCare"
RN2009 (Democratic) - 5 months ago
Reply to countryplowboy
And you have STILL not answered the question.
And you have STILL not answered the question.
Government involvement will take the fox out big insurance's henhouse. They will no longer be allowed to "regulate" themselves, lol. A public option will also give them competition. I may opt for it myself since I'm now having outlandish fees deducted from my paycheck even after my employer is paying their part. Come on, your answer was vague. I like a lot of you guys on here, but I still disagree with you.
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