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Are Americans becoming afraid to freedom of speach ?

Visit panajachel's Blog | 5 months ago

I think that Americans are afraid to say out loud that this new gov, sucks and Americans are becoming whimps, the day that America gives up the right to fight for freedom of speach, will be a sad day, 

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ironhead (Libertarian) - 5 months ago

Most Americans seem to fear everything. They're afraid of freedom, responsibility, caring, saving, terrorists, vegetables, failure, success, and the list goes on.

Most of all, Americans are afraid of doing things themselves and not having what they want, when they want it.

Just my opinion.

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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Again, not the case. The proposal (NOT YET PASSED AND NOT AT THIS TIME AN EXECUTIVE ORDER) at this … Show full comment

Read it.

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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I have read enough of you and your friends deep beliefs, theores and judements to make that assessm … Show full comment

I watch Sean Hannity occasionally but I unlike you make my own mind up about issues by trying to find facts to decide about that issue, I do not listen to The DNC or the empty suit to tell me how to think. I have worked since I was 12 and have earned a living through education and hard work. I don't need the government taking 50% or more of my earnings so other people can sit on their butts waiting for the mailman to bring their check. If you want to give your money away go ahead, convince all of obama's cabinet to pay also, they tend to forget. If you doubt what I said about you and your ilk using vile and profane language twords anyone on the right, check out the Daily KOS and the Huffington Post.

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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That last statement isn't worth dignifying; there were more calls to violence at McCain rallies than … Show full comment

At the gun rally we were inside the capitol giving cards with our names to legislators urging passage of concealed carry, all personel in the capitol said we were always the most couteous people that came to the capital. The WTO protests are known for their anarchists burning cars and causing trouble. The tea parties as well there was no violence. Except for one obama supporter who was posing as a Tea party supporter started some trouble and was found to be trying to cause trouble and have the Tea Party blamed. The McCain trouble was no doubt in the same vein. When welfare slackers and excons in your party show up and start trouble you blame the other guy.

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pryder 5 months ago

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I didn t say they were all short of decent proposals. However, the party as a whole has been fairly … Show full comment

Might be a good idea,switching them off.The alphabets are as bad or worse then the cable nets.But,if we do that,they will all be looking to the gov. for our money and crying about how unfair any competition is.I think if you honestly look at how everything under Bush was dissected and taken apart by the media,and compare it to now,not even mentioning some of the current actions taken,you will see a huge disparity.I think,so far,in some cases,just refuting the dem proposals would have saved us billions of flushed away money.Keep throwing money at things is not the answer when you are running one of the most bankrupt organizations on the planet.

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Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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They are all short of any decent proposals.No one,not any, said do nothing,thats the koolaid talking … Show full comment

I didn t say they were all short of decent proposals. However, the party as a whole has been fairly short on them; what's been out there hasn't always been supported by the party as a whole, and what they've proposed as a larger group has rarely been very constructive so far; their counter-proposal to the budget I think was something like a page long, and they've usually put forth proposals that simply try to refute that of the Dems rather than offering something that could be workable as part of negotiation. I have no doubt that will change, but it is their current state of affairs. I'm not saying the Dems have exactly been fair to them either, but that is politics; it's nothing new or exclusive to Obama and the Democrats. It's politics and the Republicans currently are failing at the game, just as the Democrats were a few years ago.

I don't think the media has received any bailouts, or asked for them. Maybe some newspapers have. The issue isn't that they're doing badly, it's just how they've operated for a long time. In the 80s CNN struck on it's biggest story ever with "Baby Jessica," which was not relevant to almost anyone's life and diverted attention away from actual issues. There was not a (political) agenda in doing this; it simply proved to be good for ratings and good for business. In other words, this isn't new, and it has nothing to do with who's in the White House. If it says anything, it's perhaps simply that people shouldn't watch cable news, or at least switch it off when the topics being covered aren't relevant.

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melany55 5 months ago

I'm sorry I need some clarification on what exactly speach is.

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pryder 5 months ago

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The Koolaid talking point, you are using came out from the Fox News reporting also, so now, who is u … Show full comment

Whether good or bad to prove they are doing something is exactly the point of what nancy and harry are doing on capital hill.No time to even read the legislation,just cram it thru and watch everything collapse.The fact you are not even aware of some of the other proposals is proof of the lack of cooperation and transparency.There have been good,legimate ideas out there and they have been shut down.Passing the koolaid came about years before FOX even existed from the Jim Jones massacre.Is that another talking point from the left?that fox CREATED the koolaid thing.Harry Reid admitted no one knew what to do when the economy went south,Biden,just last week said they all guessed wrong.Proves the point,follow the leader at any cost just because...the perfect examples of koolaid drinkers.

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Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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You have got to be kidding.the protesters at the WTO??They were throwing bricks thru windows,burning … Show full comment

A few threw bricks and caused destruction. Most didn't. The peaceful protesters were actually forced off their agreed upon protest zones so that they could be beaten with provocation. Protesters were being specifically targeted and cracked down on. The police chief himself later acknowledged excessive force being used and expressed deep regret. The bottom line is, those who caused violence or destruction should be held accountable, but the treatment of ALL protesters was quite disgusting and it happened towards LIBERAL protesters during a DEMOCRATIC presidency. It's not new, and it has little to do with whether the protesters are left or right.

I've seen footage of people yelling racist things at the McCain rallies. It was not made up. People were shouting things like "terrorist" and "kill him." Again, I'm not suggesting it was representative, because I certainly don't think it was; my point is merely that it's ridiculous to suggest that Obama rallies were somehow havens for terrorist activity when there is no evidence to support such a claim. I doubt terrorists are particularly interested in supporting candidates in elections to begin with; they are trying to create chaos to the system, not participate in it.

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pasanta (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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It's out, when you can't refute attack, call names. And people like you actually used vile profane … Show full comment

I have read enough of you and your friends deep beliefs, theores and judements to make that assessment, I do not need sleepovers for that.

As for, you, Rush Limbaugh, your alimghty leader and Sean Hannity would without measure be really proud of you.

Shoot the messenger, not the mesage, sorry dude, that is the republican tactics, yours indeed. Read your postings and your comrades on here and you will see what i mean, wink!

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pasanta (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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They are all short of any decent proposals.No one,not any, said do nothing,thats the koolaid talking … Show full comment

The Koolaid talking point, you are using came out from the Fox News reporting also, so now, who is under a spell. Jeremy, could've said the republican party to be so, without using this phrase. You have to be blind to not notice the republican party's quest to oppose any proposal by the Obama admin, wether good or bad just to prove that they are doing something, before they've any proposal as counter. There's alot of opposition but no real solid counter policy responses.

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Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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I am talking about insurgent and terrorists they can be shot and I really don't care. The wording of … Show full comment

Again, not the case. The proposal (NOT YET PASSED AND NOT AT THIS TIME AN EXECUTIVE ORDER) at this time applies only to Guantanamo prisoners. These are the same terrorists, or at least assumed to be terrorists, that you want to see shot. To suggest that it might eventually apply to regular Americans if stretched too far is a valid one and one many Democrats and human rights activists are making, but to suggest that it shifts the terrorist label AWAY from terrorists and towards regular Americans at this time is simply factually inaccurate.

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pryder 5 months ago

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That last statement isn't worth dignifying; there were more calls to violence at McCain rallies than … Show full comment

You have got to be kidding.the protesters at the WTO??They were throwing bricks thru windows,burning vehicles and destoying property everywhere they went and that is your example.By the way the racist yells at the political rally was a made up lie by the media as usual.Just look at the difference between the behavior of the the ant-tax and the anti-war rallies and you will see the examples being put forth.

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pryder 5 months ago

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To the extent that the opposition is being shut out...that is politics. It happened not long ago wh … Show full comment

They are all short of any decent proposals.No one,not any, said do nothing,thats the koolaid talking.Their proposals were ridiculed and blasted and we wind up filing chapter 11 anyway after millions poured in for nothing.Just using the dem talking point of the "party of no' is proving my point,thank you.The repub. suggestions were ridiculed and ignored and we magically wound up right where they said we would be if we did it nancy and harrys and barrys way,go figure.If your going to use the talking points from the koolaid social at least get some new lines.If media is doing this for buisness sake,what does that say.They are going broke and asking for help and whining about the competition.You are spot on though with the least amount of effort and cost.I have seen better reporting from pravda and al-jazeera.Sad state of affairs isn't it??

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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You want them to be tortured and shot, but you're against them simply being held? Okaaaaay... I … Show full comment

I am talking about insurgent and terrorists they can be shot and I really don't care. The wording of the executive order is extremely troubling it could be used against Americans. The administration is now only calling Americans terrorists and people who fly jets into buildings are not.

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Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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When have you seen the the FBI at a PRO obama rally? There was a big video cam with FBI guys running … Show full comment

That last statement isn't worth dignifying; there were more calls to violence at McCain rallies than at any Obama rally (which I'm not blaming on McCain or suggesting to be representative of the vast majority of his supporters). For the rest of it, I'm sure there were FBI and security personnel standing by at most if not all rallies. But you can't compare them directly. Campaign rallies and protests are not the same thing; a more apt comparison would be between Obama and McCain rallies, or between Tea Party rallies and anti-war rallies. And I can tell you that during the Bush years, anti-war rallies were quite carefully tracked and controlled by authorities. That is simply the way the FBI and police treat large protests, regardless of the ideology, and have for a long time (witness the treatment of protesters in the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle to see some of the most disgusting treatment of protesters and activists in recent history). I hardly agree with it, regardless of which protests are being tracked and cracked down on, but it isn't a new thing or even really based on the ideology of the groups in question.

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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Well said, Jeremy86! For one, racists like panajachel, patriot watch and out of touch and rantin … Show full comment

It's out, when you can't refute attack, call names. And people like you actually used vile profane language against Bush. You don't know any of us but call us racists, Saul Alinsky would be proud of you.

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pryder 5 months ago

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Again, this is getting tired and rediculous! You are writing on standard practice that happens( of c … Show full comment

When debate is cut off and facts are not being reported,you are being shut out.When you have people coming forward from the dem party and admitting they are being ordered to not talk specifics with the opposition,you are being shut out.There is nothing transparent about it or honest.Show me one example of a made up truth and I am not talking regurgitating what you assume I have said.A free pass has been granted,that is drinking the koolaid,taking one for the team,turning a blind eye,whatever you wish to call it.

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Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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Wording that can carry over to Americans. Torture I'm not going to debate because the point is moot … Show full comment

You want them to be tortured and shot, but you're against them simply being held? Okaaaaay...

I find the Obama administration's rationale troubling too but it's not really more extreme or dangerous to the liberty of Americans than what the Bush administration was already doing. The real issue is the precedent it would set for it to be done by two administrations in a row.

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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The last time I can think of anyone honestly being penalized for practicing free speech was in 2001- … Show full comment

When have you seen the the FBI at a PRO obama rally? There was a big video cam with FBI guys running it at a gun rally in Springfield and Tea Party in the same town. I'll bet money the odds are way higher a terrorist would be supporting and at obamas rally than our patriots events.

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panajachel 5 months ago

Many of the democrats I know, are not to interested in politics, or really hold a conversation about politics, some don't even know who nancy pelosi is or dood or franks, this ignorants that I'm talking about are many and they are Obamites.

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pasanta (Democratic) - 5 months ago

My people perish with the lack of knowledge, says the holy christian bible of God. But the wrong kind of knowledge can have same effect....

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Good Ole Boy (Republican) - 5 months ago

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I don t agree at all with the idea (it isn't an executive order; it hasn't yet been put in to place … Show full comment

Wording that can carry over to Americans. Torture I'm not going to debate because the point is moot , they are ununiformed combatants under the Geneva Code, they have no protections, they should be shot if dangerous.

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Jeremy86 (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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I think when you have the media giving a complete pass on some of the issues taking place and not ev … Show full comment

To the extent that the opposition is being shut out...that is politics. It happened not long ago when the Republicans controlled the White House and Congress too. The Dems are taking advantage of their majority as any party in their position would, and has. The Republicans have not by any stretch been completely written out of discussion, but recently they have defined themselves quite succinctly as the "party of no'" and have been rather short on any counter-proposals or new ideas. This is not to say the Dems are not at fault as well - no doubt partisan rancor on both sides has delayed progress and devolved political discourse as it always does - but the Republicans have certainly shot themselves in the foot and have done a lot to write themselves out of the discussion on their own.

The media (especially television) sucks but that is not inherently a question of bias or of "drinking the koolaid." Television news coverage has been ultra-simplified and substance-less for a while; that is not a new thing under Obama. I remember quite clearly during the lead up and beginning of the Iraq war when all the cable networks were essentially acting as cheerleaders for the invasion, and not really questioning at all the rational for the war. Most of the time, they are not even that substantive; turn on those networks and you'll often find them discussing ad nauseam "issues" like Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Twitter, sex scandals, etc. When they talk about real issues, their tact is to get ideological hacks from both the left and right and have them yell at each other until the commercial. The media, again especially in television, is often awful, but many (on the left and right) and interpreting that as bias or as them being a wing of one party or the other and that isn't the case; they are businesses and they are doing what they think will make them the most money with the least amount of cost or effort.

In any event, you were initially addressing regular supporters of Obama and not just the media or current negotiations in Congress. And again, most regular people have a more nuanced view than that the administration's policies are universally bad or universally good.

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pasanta (Democratic) - 5 months ago

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I think when you have the media giving a complete pass on some of the issues taking place and not ev … Show full comment

Again, this is getting tired and rediculous! You are writing on standard practice that happens( of course you have the blinds on), when there is a particular party in office and it happens to have a matching dominance in Congress. This happened under the Bush admin and maybe so under Obama, a democratic admin and dominant demo Congress. This is not the 2nd time and as long as the system lives it may happen again. So there is no need in trying to demonilze the President and his admin, or say otherwise your own made up truths to make any disparaging views about him. No one is under the spell of drinking any koolaid, as same can be said about you and your kind for your out of this world dissents. And no one is being lied to by the President about anything, including you.

Infact, this is the most transparent admin the nation has ever had and the press is not giving any complete pass on anything. What you may be missing please keep to Fox NEWS and all the right wing news outlet for your supplemental news. In addition, also check with your counterparts on this site and other sites, e.g. the following site users, Patriot watch, good ole boy, panachel, pcmerc, theyareallliares and many more.

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