Loading
Loading
TOTAL: 34 votes - Expired 10 months ago
The pursuit of happiness does give a fair and "equal" opportunity, as
"we are all created equal" unless you have a pre-existing condition, or your treat ment is experimental or your brain tumor is non-life threatining, then you are not equal b/c it will cost too much for corporate greed to pay for.
that is different and you know it....but thanks for your drastic and ridiculous attempt at a comparison - it shows the that health care is very much so a right to the baby who didn't ask to be born that gets ill , as well as the adult who gets ill that didn't ask to be born.
Friends it is good to have this sort of discussion, but I am really very much worried about the present situation about Nepal.
So I would like to drag all your attention towards my blog articles and work on it....If you are willing to.
Amen brother
Individuals have the right to choose whether they provide healthcare for themselves and family, a privilege that depends on the circumstances said individuals choose to focus on, as I don't know what grounds a contrary comment would be grounded in.
(Did I use all the words in that sentence?)
Individuals have the right to choose whether they provide healthcare for themselves and family, a privilege that depends on the circumstances said individuals choose to focus on, as I don't know what grounds a contrary comment would be grounded in.
(Did I use all the words in that sentence?)
Yes please, appeal to emotions, That is the only way to face a crisis. Shall I prepare the down pillow for you to weep upon? Is your dramatic wailing a moaning in need of the proper mood lighting?
Grow up junior. You can convince yourself we are unfeeling and callous all you want. That's what snot-nosed brats say about their parents when they are denied being given what they want because otherwise they'll hold their breath until they are blue in the face. Leave this discussion to the responsible folks.
Thanks for this very thoughtful, generous and caring comment and I AGREE with you on this issue.
Seems like a lot of people don't care enough about family, friends or people to worry if the are ailing, suffering, transmitting or spreading dangerous infectious diseases all across the nation or world.
At least not enough to pass a bill for universal health care !!!
So what do we say to this: If the people can't afford insurance or medicine for better health.....then let them suffer or die, like they do in all third world Nations.... Is this what we want ? Is this what is better for the welfare of the U.S.A.???
The pursuit of happiness does not equate to a guarantee of outcome.
I am not going to post the founders thoghts as you can read them in previous posts, is home insurance a right? Is malpractice coverage a right?
Problem is the courts don't see it that way.
we all have the right to LIFE liberty and the pursuit of happiness...utilities are socialized...Not talking about socialization...yet I find it difficult not to believe that we are not all equal in our need for healthcare
People have the right to protect themselves. The police and military are given the power to protect the nation and common welfare by the People so that we can be free to enjoy our other rights.
The government and laws do not bestow our rights, they are not the dispenser of what we can and cannot do.
Meanwhile, you can take cold comfort in the idea that the police protect you. While the burglar/rapists/murderer is prowling aroud your house you can take comfort that the police will protect you after they take 15-20 minutes to get there.
Meanwhile I'll take my gun and aim center body mass.
Once you become pregnant it is not just your body, that is your disconnect. To have an abortion infringes on the baby's rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
If you were born with the innate ability to wish the baby away and 'poof' it was gone then you would have a point. No, you have to find a third party to offer you a service to terminate the life of an unborn.
Look closer. I never said it was or was not a right. I was making a point, merely correcting your flawed statements regarding the nature and origin of rights.
"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” James Madison
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
Just where do you think they meant for it to be a right? Nothing vague, or do you need glasses?
I would agree about the draft (although "slavery" is a bit harsh) but it hasn't actually been used in decades anyway, nor do I expect it to come back. I was talking here and now, as well as the military as a whole. The majority of the time, it does not operate on a draft system.
I think the Constitution is vague (which was always its intention). When I argue that I see it as a right, I am not suggesting that health care specifically was ever placed in that document anywhere. Rather, I merely argue that said document, placed in a modern context, could be used to make the case for it, and that I do personally see it as part of the government's duty to act on health care. As well, I see it as (in a modern context in which we have the capability to provide quality health care) a natural right which is ultimately above the constitution of any governmental system to begin with.
We don't live in a purely socialist or purely capitalist/free market system to begin with. We never have. It has always been somewhere in the middle, and the eternal debate is always in which direction to go.
You can name call and attack people as being "communistic" all you want but there is nothing about the government merely being involved in health care that suggests true socialism or true communism.
"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” James Madison
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
Just where do you think they meant for it to be a right?
"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” James Madison
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
Just where do you think they meant for it to be a right?
"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” James Madison
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
Just where do you think they meant for it to be a right?
"If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; And the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers; And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering ... And the forehorse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” James Madison
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
Just where do you think they meant for it to be a right?
The law's are written to protect the people, so in essence the police force and the military are there to protect the people.
So in essence what you are saying is that since my right to privacy does not infringe on anyone else or takes away from another person then it is a completely natural right? And since this is a completely natural right then no one else should have a say as to what I do with my said right to privacy? So therefore if I mind my business and go about my business and don't make my business public knowledge than no one has any right to tell me how to live my life what so ever? Meaning that if I get pregnant and I decide, since it is my body and my business, that I don't want to carry out the pregnancy then it is well within my rights to exercise my right to privacy over my own body and the whole abortion issue should really be a non-issue and it should only be regulated for safety reasons?
And before you go into it I'll tell you what a judge told me at 16, I do not have any rights under the law until I turned 18 years old. Until that time I was only given the rights that my parents bestowed onto me assuming that they were fit parents, meaning that there are some rights bestowed to us at birth (our natural rights) but the rest of those rights that are guaranteed by the Bill of Rights do not come into play until the age of 18, the age of consent, other than that it's up to our parents.
So how does this fit into your whole abortion debate since by your definition women's primary roles are incubators, since this incubation process can very well infringe on a woman's natural rights?
Share it
Rosetteismyname (Centrist) - 10 months ago
Individuals have the right to choose whether they provide healthcare for themselves and family, a pr … Show full comment Reply to hulabaluu
Individuals have the right to choose whether they provide healthcare for themselves and family, a privilege that depends on the circumstances said individuals choose to focus on, as I don't know what grounds a contrary comment would be grounded in.
(Did I use all the words in that sentence?) Show less
healthcare is a neccessity like water or food,
water or food is a right unless you want to be totally inhuman
therefore healthcare is a right.
Sorry
Login or Register to add your comment.
It will take only a few seconds, we promise!