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Did the town goat run away or has she just been keeping you busy finding her grass?

You said: ". . .Einstein [. . .] believed that the universe was made a certain way, independant of our observations. To be so certain that the universe was planned, and ordered, and to be certain that there is a god, are two very similar beliefs." Are you as badly confused as you appear to be? Or are you on some kind of campaign to misrepresent what Einstein believed? Einstein certainly believed that there was *natural order* in the universe, but he certainly did not believe that this order was PLANNED. If you think Einstein did believe the universe was PLANNED, post some quote of his that proves it, or stop weaving fantasies about the man. Einstein did not believe in God. He said so himself many times.

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You're partially correct. Einstein certainly believed that there was order in the universe (he spent his working life investigaing its workings). But he did not for a moment believe that such order was established by a god, or any kind of "higher" or supernatural being. Einstein believed in NATURAL -- not unnatural -- order. I've no idea what your phrase "requirement for order" means. Order is order. Without it, there's chaos, and chaos is not conducive to producing or sustaining life. Thing is, humans are so impressed with their own awareness and accomplishments they believe the universe must have been established with the purpose of producing such a wonderful creature. But smart people -- including Einstein -- have always known that this is nonsense.

You said: "And why would their be any requirement for order in the universe unless there were a god?" What idiot said that there was a "requirement" for order in the universe? A sillier proposition I haven't heard in some time. The universe has . . . no . . . requirements.

Hey! I'm not the moron who posted a note on someone's "shout box" trying to demonstrate, falsely, that Albert Einstein was a believer in the supernatural. That was you. Live with it.

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Einstein's "play dice" comment was pure metaphor, but has for decades been taken out of context by religious propagandists desperate to make people believe that the greatest thinker of our times believed in God. The fact is that Einstein did not believe in any god that any religious person would recognize. Einstein said this: "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." And, shortly before his death, Einstein made this definitive statement on his alleged religiosity: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." The fact is that Einstein's lack of belief in a "living," "personal" god that concerns itself with the affairs of Homo Sapiens made him an atheist, by any reasonable definition of the word. Your attempt to suck him into the foul company of believers in myth and childish fantasy makes you a liar. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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